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Default Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 09:12 AM






http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 09:27 AM






In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
Quote:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
begging the question: Why?

Dave (is my memory _that_ bad?)


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 10:01 AM




"David Melville" <spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote

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In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.

begging the question: Why?
The article explicitly answers that question!




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 10:06 AM



In article <%0dlg.45875$uP.7869 (AT) newsfe2-gui (DOT) ntli.net>, shepshep1
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Quote:
"David Melville" <spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1effffa3a54af70f98968f (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.

begging the question: Why?

The article explicitly answers that question!



Oops! Read the post in a hurry and didn't click the link. I'll get back
to yuz.

Dave


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 10:09 AM



In article <MPG.1f00090cde158fff989690 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au>,
spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au says...
Quote:
In article <%0dlg.45875$uP.7869 (AT) newsfe2-gui (DOT) ntli.net>, shepshep1
@excite.com says...

"David Melville" <spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1effffa3a54af70f98968f (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.

begging the question: Why?

The article explicitly answers that question!



Oops! Read the post in a hurry and didn't click the link. I'll get back
to yuz.

Dave

Oh.

Duh.

Dave


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 10:29 AM



In message <%0dlg.45875$uP.7869 (AT) newsfe2-gui (DOT) ntli.net>,
shepshep1 (AT) excite (DOT) com writes
Quote:
"David Melville" <spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1effffa3a54af70f98968f (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.

begging the question: Why?

The article explicitly answers that question!


I think that for the sake of the sport, it is a great shame that they
did not lodge the protest. I can understand the reasoning, but if they
actually believed at the time that MS had deliberately driven into Hill,
then surely getting someone so dangerous out of the sport should have
been a higher priority than the considerations Head refers to.
--
Richard Miller


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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 11:07 AM




"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.

Regardless of Schumacher's antics, one must give a little consideration that
in 1994 Schumacher was DSQ'd out of two races and banned for two more. The
first for ignoring a 'stop and go' resulting in a black flag, also ignored
(the claim/excuse is that the team had protested the call and were waiting
for the stewards result). The second DSQ for a out of spec barge board. Then
he was banned for two races for the the black flag incident.

Yeah, Schumacher's sportsmanship is suspect for sure, but in effect, he
didn't show up at four races and yet was on points parity with Hill, who got
to drive in all of them.




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 11:29 AM




<shepshep1 (AT) excite (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"David Melville" <spamaway (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1effffa3a54af70f98968f (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au...
In article <1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com says...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.

begging the question: Why?

The article explicitly answers that question!



err. didn't senna do the same thing to mansell?

senna reminds me of earnhardt ,they get killed and become sainted, and
people overlook they were dangerous and dirty drivers.




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 11:39 AM



Quote:
senna reminds me of earnhardt ,they get killed and become sainted, and
people overlook they were dangerous and dirty drivers.

No...

Then they became "colorful"
drivers.

s/s




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Default Re: Williams - Schumacher cheated in 1994 - 06-18-2006 , 01:00 PM



R Brickston wrote:
Quote:
"Botham" <aicron9 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1150636342.559108.258940 (AT) c74g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com...
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36316

Williams' engineering director Patrick Head has revealed that his
team would have protested Michael Schumacher's 1994 world title
victory had it not been for Ayrton Senna's fatal accident earlier
that year.
"Because 1994 was the terrible year it was, because Ayrton Senna had
been killed in one of our cars at Imola - we didn't really think it
would have been right for Damon to win the world championship that
year, especially if he'd done so in court, so we didn't protest the
illegality of the Benetton car.
"What I find remarkable is the mood of righteous indignation adopted
by some people in the Ferrari team about what Michael did at Monaco,"
he said.

"I'm not one of the extreme ones calling for him to be kicked out
of F1, but what this episode proves - just as it did at Adelaide 1994
and on a number of other occasions - is that he isn't a sportsman
in the sporting sense of the word.

"He has an overwhelming urge to win and it seems quite clear that he
doesn't care how he achieves that aim.

"But I'm just amazed that people are surprised that he does these
things, given the track record.


Regardless of Schumacher's antics, one must give a little consideration that
in 1994 Schumacher was DSQ'd out of two races and banned for two more. The
first for ignoring a 'stop and go' resulting in a black flag, also ignored
(the claim/excuse is that the team had protested the call and were waiting
for the stewards result). The second DSQ for a out of spec barge board. Then
he was banned for two races for the the black flag incident.

Yeah, Schumacher's sportsmanship is suspect for sure, but in effect, he
didn't show up at four races and yet was on points parity with Hill, who got
to drive in all of them.


Actually, I think Schumacher's second DSQ was a result of his spin at
Spa where "The Plank" showed too much wear.


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