In message <Xns96EA5BCBF24BCalistairfraser81gmai (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4>, FooAtari
<alistair.fraser81 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes
Where is the connection between never having a car capable of winning a
race (last year there was only one such car, the year before that
slightly more but not one Jenson was in, and the year before that he was
in a complete dog) and not being good enough to be world champion?

And you thoroughly deserved the comment from Bigbird. The issue was done
to death this week. If you take account of the fact that drivers
regularly died in previous eras and that they drove far fewer races in a
season, it is quite apparent that the statistic is utterly meaningless,
and the assertion that it has any bearing on Button's championship
qualities or lack of them is quite moronic.
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Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk>
news:vo+MKlFPmPSDFwQT (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk Got on his soap box and
said:

Button hasnt exactly been in a slow car either some years. I just think
he is a good qualifier but always seems to drop off in a race. Im sure
he will pick up some race wins I just dont think he will be a DWC, whats
the problem?

I have been away all week and did a catch up instead of reading the
100's of posts, sorry.

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In message <Xns96EA9CED11664alistairfraser81gmai (AT) 130 (DOT) 133.1.4>, FooAtari
<alistair.fraser81 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes
Such as last year, perhaps, when nobody, but nobody, could beat the
Ferraris, but he managed to beat everybody else, was entirely consistent
through the season and achieved the best result possible in the
circumstances.

The problem is in quoting the fact that he is reaching his hundredth
race without yet picking up a win as evidence to back up this opinion.
In several years recently, we have had at best one new race winner, and
sometimes not even that.

This year, we have had four winners (not counting the US) in 18 races,
from 2 teams.
Last year, we had 3 drivers pick up a single win each, with the Ferraris
taking the other 15.
2003 - a wonderful exception, with 8 different winners.
2002 - one each for Ralf and DC were all that stopped a Ferrari clean
sweep.

Now let's go back in time. Never mind the astonishing 1982 when no one
won more than two races, because that was genuinely exceptional.

1981 - 7 winners in 15 races, 5 teams winning at least two each
1980 - 7 in 14 races, 4 teams winning at least two races
1979 - 7 in 15 races, 3 teams winning at least 3 each.
1978 - 6 in 16 races, 3 teams winning at least 2 each

You can see the difference. In every season, there were more cars and
therefore more drivers able genuinely to compete for a win, and fewer
races per season, so that a good driver would not have to wait so many
races before one of the drives capable of leading to wins came available
- and the tragic deaths of many drivers further increased the frequency
with which race-winning seats became available to up and coming drivers.

For what it's worth, I think Button is capable of being world champion,
but he will need a few more things to come together to achieve that, and
I would not be at all surprised if he failed to win it.

Sorry to get a bit snappy with you too, but I thought it was a fucking
stupid comment last time (and I hope you now understand why) and to have
you make the same one now after we had been over exactly why it was a
fucking stupid comment only a couple of days ago just seemed to be
deliberate provocation on your part.
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Richard Miller <richard (AT) seasalter0 (DOT) demon.co.uk> news:eVrQV0YZDVSDFwV3
@seasalter0.demon.co.uk Got on his soap box and said:

The above doesnt change my mind. I can see your point, and maybe to
comapre his ability directly to race wins was a little stupid in
hindsight, and doesnt mean much. However I still dont think he will
take a title :-)

It wasnt deliberate provoation, I honestly didnt realise it had been
recently discussed and only came into my mind when Brundle and Allen
were talking about Honda wanting to take Button to the WDC, and I just
started thinking was he good enough.

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Richard Miller wrote:
It's not the regularity that surprises me, so much as the idea that they
could do it more than once :-)
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In message <Vae2f.30504$OC3.20280 (AT) newsfe5-win (DOT) ntli.net>, John Briggs
<john.briggs4 (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> writes
But the first time is always the hardest...
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"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet (AT) REMTHSgmail (DOT) com>
news:didk8o$umm$1 (AT) news (DOT) freedom2surf.net Got on his soap box and said:


Get off your high horse...

And I have the right to post whatever the hell I want about F1. Yes the
race was good, but only because of the qualifying rules. Had it been
dry during qualifying we would have witnessed yet another mostly boring
race highlighting all the problems with F1, which still exist. But hey,
one great race and all is forgiven?

And as I said already I didnt realise it had been so recently discussed
as I have been away from home all week, im sorry about that. I was only
thinking about it because of the commentators discussing Hondas
intention for them and Button to take the world championship within two
years.

My question wasnt a whine, just wanted to to know the question posed in
the title.

I am an F1 in general. Im not a fan of the near joke state its in at
the moment. I want the sport I used to love to return to some sort of
decent racing...



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