Global warming

Seems the Bush administration is being called to task on national
news now for causing scientific reports on global warming to be
edited to downplay the very serious effects that are now hard to
deny.

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.

Let's not just lay it at the feet of Dubya, though. The deviation from
normal warming profiles has been clear for the past thirty years or so.

I guess every administration has ducked this issue.

Even if uncontrovertibly true, I wonder if we Americans are
ready to do whatever necessary to try to reverse the greenhouse
effect?

I sadly suspect that we are not.

Maybe a dollar per gallon tax on fuel, to go the the Social Security
shortfall
or energy research, or a workable medical care plan that will allow industry
to survive, would be a good start.

In article <iU2wh.14965$ji1.1568 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net>,
<HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.
I've read the scientists are split 50/50 on whether man has had a

significant impact on GW, which has been going on for over 10k yrs in
this GW cycle. My house is sitting where there was a few thousand feet
of ice about 20k yrs ago.

Let's not just lay it at the feet of Dubya, though. The deviation from
normal warming profiles has been clear for the past thirty years or so.
All we've seen is an increase in the rate, which is what one would

expect when the northern ground cover melts. The warming in Canada has
been in the central north.
Interestingly it's colder in Canada's north east than it was 1,000 yrs
ago.

I guess every administration has ducked this issue.

Even if uncontrovertibly true, I wonder if we Americans are
ready to do whatever necessary to try to reverse the greenhouse
effect?

I sadly suspect that we are not.
People with money around the world don't do much to reduce their energy

use and pollution. What a sham for Arnold S. to sue the auto
manufacturers for their negative impact while he drives several Hummers.

There is so much hot air over GW the earth is warming up faster. >

Some real facts to read:
http://www.northroots.ca/stories16/pettipas.html

"Just Facts" <Jfact (AT) intnet (DOT) wrld> wrote

In article <iU2wh.14965$ji1.1568 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net>,
HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.
I've read the scientists are split 50/50 on whether man has had a
significant impact on GW, which has been going on for over 10k yrs in
this GW cycle. My house is sitting where there was a few thousand feet
of ice about 20k yrs ago.

I dont think it is that close..but there are still some who insist that
warming
is a normal phenomenon. I dont believe it any is, at least not anymore.

There is too much data to prove that we are at the focus of this.

When I was in college we were taught that we were headed into another ICE
AGE because greenhouse gasses where blocking out the sun. The 'scientist's
in the know wanted to deposit carbon black on glaciers to speed up melting
to cool the oceans. Like today, we were told if we didn't listen, in twenty
years it would be too late. I graduated in 1951 and they were still
teaching that in colleges well into the seventies.

You are correct President Clinton never even submitted the Kyoto Treaty, the
was created during his tenure, to the Senate for ratification knowing it
would not be approved. 'Global Temperature Change' is now the IN phrase,
not 'Global Warming.' Seems the old term does not jive with what is
actually happen in the world. While many areas are indeed warming others
are cooling and the average global temperature has not risen since 1998.

You will not find it on the major media but the question still is not settle
among real earth scientist as to the cause of the Global Temperature Change.
Climatologist, archeologist and others still lean to the natural forces of
nature, IE the sun and our relationship to it, variations in the tilt of the
earth axis, volcanic activity and movement of tectonic plates. Global
Temperature Change, fund grants, and politics are related more than many
suspect.


mike


<HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

Seems the Bush administration is being called to task on national
news now for causing scientific reports on global warming to be
edited to downplay the very serious effects that are now hard to
deny.

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.

Let's not just lay it at the feet of Dubya, though. The deviation from
normal warming profiles has been clear for the past thirty years or so.

I guess every administration has ducked this issue.

snip

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

When I was in college we were taught that we were headed into another ICE
AGE because greenhouse gasses where blocking out the sun. The
'scientist's in the know wanted to deposit carbon black on glaciers to
speed up melting to cool the oceans. Like today, we were told if we
didn't listen, in twenty years it would be too late. I graduated in 1951
and they were still teaching that in colleges well into the seventies.

You are correct President Clinton never even submitted the Kyoto Treaty,
the was created during his tenure, to the Senate for ratification knowing
it would not be approved. 'Global Temperature Change' is now the IN
phrase, not 'Global Warming.' Seems the old term does not jive with what
is actually happen in the world. While many areas are indeed warming
others are cooling and the average global temperature has not risen since
1998.

You will not find it on the major media but the question still is not
settle among real earth scientist as to the cause of the Global
Temperature Change. Climatologist, archeologist and others still lean to
the natural forces of nature, IE the sun and our relationship to it,
variations in the tilt of the earth axis, volcanic activity and movement
of tectonic plates. Global Temperature Change, fund grants, and politics
are related more than many suspect.


mike

I agree with Mike.After all it's only been about a 100 years or so since
the Industrial Revolution.Which given the Earth's age(about 2.5 BILLION
years old) is a statistical insignificant amount of time to measure
anything.Not even a blink of an eye in the big picture. When Mt. St. Helens
erupted it put more greenhouse gases,ash and soot in the air than ALL of
mankind to date. I wonder if Mother Nature will sign on to Kyoto...LOL

HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message
news:iU2wh.14965$ji1.1568 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net...
Seems the Bush administration is being called to task on national
news now for causing scientific reports on global warming to be
edited to downplay the very serious effects that are now hard to
deny.

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.

Let's not just lay it at the feet of Dubya, though. The deviation from
normal warming profiles has been clear for the past thirty years or so.

I guess every administration has ducked this issue.

snip

HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix wrote:

(snip)

Even if uncontrovertibly true, I wonder if we Americans are
ready to do whatever necessary to try to reverse the greenhouse
effect?

Evolution in action.
Adapt or die.

<HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

"Just Facts" <Jfact (AT) intnet (DOT) wrld> wrote in message
news:Jfact-BDC6EF.11033901022007 (AT) news (DOT) telus.net...
In article <iU2wh.14965$ji1.1568 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net>,
HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

Only a handful of scientists - some reputedly with agendas from
their employers - hold out that global warming, as has been recorded
in the past half century, is a natural event.
I've read the scientists are split 50/50 on whether man has had a
significant impact on GW, which has been going on for over 10k yrs in
this GW cycle. My house is sitting where there was a few thousand feet
of ice about 20k yrs ago.

I dont think it is that close..but there are still some who insist that
warming
is a normal phenomenon. I dont believe it any is, at least not anymore.

There is too much data to prove that we are at the focus of this.

I'm not so convinced there is all that data to support either claim right
now. Both sides have produced what they want you to see and data has long
been the arch-enemy of the truth, when in the hands of scientists. I don't
really know where the scientific community stacks up in terms of who
believes what, but it's really hard to gauge from what is reported. The
most vocal side always seems to have the largest number of proponents.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

"« Paul »" <"« Paul » "@houston.rr.com> wrote

HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix wrote:

(snip)
Even if uncontrovertibly true, I wonder if we Americans are
ready to do whatever necessary to try to reverse the greenhouse
effect?

Evolution in action.
Adapt or die.

That's what the dinosaurs used to chuckle about.

On Feb 1, 7:43 pm, "benick" <ben... (AT) pivot (DOT) net> wrote:

"Mike Hunter" <mikehu... (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:w4WdnSZ0KNhw4l_YUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net...





When I was in college we were taught that we were headed into another ICE
AGE because greenhouse gasses where blocking out the sun. The
'scientist's in the know wanted to deposit carbon black on glaciers to
speed up melting to cool the oceans. Like today, we were told if we
didn't listen, in twenty years it would be too late. I graduated in 1951
and they were still teaching that in colleges well into the seventies.

You are correct President Clinton never even submitted the Kyoto Treaty,
the was created during his tenure, to the Senate for ratification knowing
it would not be approved. 'Global Temperature Change' is now the IN
phrase, not 'Global Warming.' Seems the old term does not jive with what
is actually happen in the world. While many areas are indeed warming
others are cooling and the average global temperature has not risen since
1998.

You will not find it on the major media but the question still is not
settle among real earth scientist as to the cause of the Global
Temperature Change. Climatologist, archeologist and others still lean to
the natural forces of nature, IE the sun and our relationship to it,
variations in the tilt of the earth axis, volcanic activity and movement
of tectonic plates. Global Temperature Change, fund grants, and politics
are related more than many suspect.

mike

I agree with Mike.After all it's only been about a 100 years or so since
the Industrial Revolution.Which given the Earth's age(about 2.5 BILLION
years old) is a statistical insignificant amount of time to measure
anything.Not even a blink of an eye in the big picture. When Mt. St. Helens
erupted it put more greenhouse gases,ash and soot in the air than ALL of
mankind to date. I wonder if Mother Nature will sign on to Kyoto...LOL

snip

The volcanic eruption is an interesting point. I have heard a case
made that most large scale eruptions have a nearly net zero effect on
global warming. The ash and soot contribute fairly heavily toward
acutally global cooling -- at least for a short time.

I think I'm going to just wait and check the sea-level around 2100 -
while generating as little greenhouse gases as possible in the
meantime. How can I lose?

Mark

The problem for the average taxpayer is Global Climate Change has now become
political. WE WILL pay the price.

Today Hillary said she wants to take the profit from the American oil
industry.. Who does she think will pay the higher gas prices needed to keep
them from going out of business? At 18.5 cent per gallon federal tax the
US Government already makes more per gallon of gas than do the oil
companies. The states, on average, make nearly twice as much as the feds on
a gallon of gas.

There is no question the average earth temperature has gone up over the past
100 years or even more, but the fact is nobody knows for sure the cause.
The UN report just released said it is 'LIKELY' man is contributing to
global warming, which means they know there are other naturally occurring
contributing factors. The person reading the report to the UN even
emphasized the word 'LIKELY.' Even the UN can not say for sure that man is
actually the cause, nor do they conclude we can do anything to change it.
Yet the politicos were all over TV pointing to that report. What gets me is
no reporter asked the pertain questions

mike


"benick" <benick (AT) pivot (DOT) net> wrote

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:w4WdnSZ0KNhw4l_YUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net...
When I was in college we were taught that we were headed into another ICE
AGE because greenhouse gasses where blocking out the sun. The
'scientist's in the know wanted to deposit carbon black on glaciers to
speed up melting to cool the oceans. Like today, we were told if we
didn't listen, in twenty years it would be too late. I graduated in 1951
and they were still teaching that in colleges well into the seventies.

You are correct President Clinton never even submitted the Kyoto Treaty,
the was created during his tenure, to the Senate for ratification knowing
it would not be approved. 'Global Temperature Change' is now the IN
phrase, not 'Global Warming.' Seems the old term does not jive with what
is actually happen in the world. While many areas are indeed warming
others are cooling and the average global temperature has not risen since
1998.

You will not find it on the major media but the question still is not
settle among real earth scientist as to the cause of the Global
Temperature Change. Climatologist, archeologist and others still lean to
the natural forces of nature, IE the sun and our relationship to it,
variations in the tilt of the earth axis, volcanic activity and movement
of tectonic plates. Global Temperature Change, fund grants, and politics
are related more than many suspect.


mike

I agree with Mike.After all it's only been about a 100 years or so since
the Industrial Revolution.Which given the Earth's age(about 2.5 BILLION
years old) is a statistical insignificant amount of time to measure
anything.Not even a blink of an eye in the big picture. When Mt. St.
Helens erupted it put more greenhouse gases,ash and soot in the air than
ALL of mankind to date. I wonder if Mother Nature will sign on to
Kyoto...LOL