04 lesabre: various interior lights

#21

"Mike" <mikehunt2 (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

I'm try one more time then I give up, BECAUSE they are surveying NEW car
buyers not USED car buyers.

The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with another
NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0 45,000
miles on the odometer.

Surveying NEW cars is pretty much meaningless though. Most are perfect for
the first 30 to 90 days. Who really gives a crap that one model is 1.2
defects per thousand while another is 1.22 defects per thousand. Tell me
which one holds up better over the expected life of the vehicle. If I'm
replacing every 30,000 miles, is model A going to cost me $100 in repairs
while model B is typically costing $900? That is meaningful information.
Even if covered under warranty, there is the aggravation factor of taking it
back to the dealer.

What Powers is doing is the rough equivalent of surveying cans of beans
sitting on the supermarket shelf. It does not tell you how they are going
to taste next week when you cook them.

#22

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Mike" <mikehunt2 (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4a5225c7$0$25021$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net...
I'm try one more time then I give up, BECAUSE they are surveying NEW car
buyers not USED car buyers.

The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with
another NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0
45,000 miles on the odometer.

Surveying NEW cars is pretty much meaningless though. Most are perfect
for the first 30 to 90 days. Who really gives a crap that one model is
1.2 defects per thousand while another is 1.22 defects per thousand. Tell
me which one holds up better over the expected life of the vehicle. If
I'm replacing every 30,000 miles, is model A going to cost me $100 in
repairs while model B is typically costing $900? That is meaningful
information. Even if covered under warranty, there is the aggravation
factor of taking it back to the dealer.

What Powers is doing is the rough equivalent of surveying cans of beans
sitting on the supermarket shelf. It does not tell you how they are going
to taste next week when you cook them.

That is the way I feel too. Well said, in my estimation.

#23

Perhaps but the cars that were part of the survey are not on the shelf, they
are in the hands of the buyers that bought both domestic and imports and the
fact is they all fall into the same small 25 category of those that had a
problem. LOL

"HLS" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Mike" <mikehunt2 (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4a5225c7$0$25021$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net...
I'm try one more time then I give up, BECAUSE they are surveying NEW car
buyers not USED car buyers.

The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with
another NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0
45,000 miles on the odometer.

Surveying NEW cars is pretty much meaningless though. Most are perfect
for the first 30 to 90 days. Who really gives a crap that one model is
1.2 defects per thousand while another is 1.22 defects per thousand.
Tell me which one holds up better over the expected life of the vehicle.
If I'm replacing every 30,000 miles, is model A going to cost me $100 in
repairs while model B is typically costing $900? That is meaningful
information. Even if covered under warranty, there is the aggravation
factor of taking it back to the dealer.

What Powers is doing is the rough equivalent of surveying cans of beans
sitting on the supermarket shelf. It does not tell you how they are
going to taste next week when you cook them.

That is the way I feel too. Well said, in my estimation.

#24

The failure rate is only per hundred, not per thousand, the selling rate
was still up around 14,000,000

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Mike" <mikehunt2 (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4a5225c7$0$25021$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net...
I'm try one more time then I give up, BECAUSE they are surveying NEW car
buyers not USED car buyers.

The average new vehicle buyer in the US REPLACES that vehicle with
another NEW vehicle in three to four years with an average of 30,000 t0
45,000 miles on the odometer.

Surveying NEW cars is pretty much meaningless though. Most are perfect
for the first 30 to 90 days. Who really gives a crap that one model is
1.2 defects per thousand while another is 1.22 defects per thousand. Tell
me which one holds up better over the expected life of the vehicle. If
I'm replacing every 30,000 miles, is model A going to cost me $100 in
repairs while model B is typically costing $900? That is meaningful
information. Even if covered under warranty, there is the aggravation
factor of taking it back to the dealer.

What Powers is doing is the rough equivalent of surveying cans of beans
sitting on the supermarket shelf. It does not tell you how they are going
to taste next week when you cook them.

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