Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair?

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE
Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with
the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car.

They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they
bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers

I was at an auto show where there was a mid size FWD V6 Lexus sitting near a
loaded RWD V8 Grand Marquis. People were all over the Mercury that has an
MSRP over $12.000 less than the smaller Lexus


mike

"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
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Autoblog http://snipurl.com/1kkoi

..some Chevy dealers have grown a pair and are trying a radical move.
They're bringing enemy No. 1 right into their showrooms.

Chevrolet is confident enough in its forthcoming Malibu redesign
http://snipurl.com/1kkou that they're willing to have customers paw
all over their mid-size offering and Toyota's Camry
http://doiop.com/Camry side by side. Instead of just telling potential
Malibu customers that Camry ain't all that [great], Chevy's car
marketing director, Cheryl Catton, suggests dealers put one of the best-
selling Toyotas right there next to Malibus. Production of the new
Malibus begins in October, and GM's ad push for the car begins in
January. Look for the Malibu/Camry steel cage death match to begin
about then.

But wouldn't it be a small sales boost to put a Camry in every Chevy
dealership? Catton thought of that, and recommends the Toyotas be
rented.

[Source: Automotive News http://www.autonews.com/ - Sub. Req.]

Mike Hunter wrote:

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu?

a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.

If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.

On May 14, 4:30 pm, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu... (AT) my-deja (DOT) com>
wrote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu?

a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.

If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.

Apply the same logic to Big Macs, Wal*Mart, Budwiser, etc. If you
think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive.

Here some equally twisted logic for you -

Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE
rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted.
Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low
profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small
noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the
people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars.
They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and
Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent
domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they
convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They
preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often,
they convert others to their faith.

Makes as much sense as your quiz....

Ed

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE
Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry,
with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car.

They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they
bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers

Why not fair? IMO, it is better than fair if you can show the Malibu is
cheaper but equal or better than the Camry. In a post tonight you stated:
"The price of their vehicles will go up since the vehicles sold by the
Japanese auto manufactures, who already enjoy those competitive advantages,
sell for 20% to 30% more than domestics "


This is a good opportunity for GM to show then can sell an equivalent car
for far less.

Have you seen the recent Hyundai ads showing the comparison of the Sonata
vs. BMW and the Azera vs. Lexus and the SantaFe vs. Land Rover? Now it will
be Malibu vs. Camry. Good for them.

I did a similar comparison. I was looking at Buick Lucerne but found the
same features in a Sonata for $5000 less. To get stability control, I'd
have to move up in the Lucerne another $5000.

I do like the style of the new Malibu. Far better than the ugly front end
of the Camry.

Ed White wrote:

On May 14, 4:30 pm, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu... (AT) my-deja (DOT) com
wrote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu?

a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.

If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.

Apply the same logic to Big Macs, Wal*Mart, Budwiser, etc. If you
think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive.

Here some equally twisted logic for you -

Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE
rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted.
Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low
profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small
noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the
people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars.
They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and
Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent
domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they
convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They
preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often,
they convert others to their faith.

Makes as much sense as your quiz....

I wish it did, but people used to buy Japanese cars for economy, while
now they buy them for quality and reliability, and not only are car
buyers less brand loyal than they used to be, but buyers of Japanese
ares tend to be the least brand loyal of them all.

My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers
instead of themselves.

On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:19 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote:

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE
Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with
the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car.

They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they
bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers

I was at an auto show where there was a mid size FWD V6 Lexus sitting near a
loaded RWD V8 Grand Marquis. People were all over the Mercury that has an
MSRP over $12.000 less than the smaller Lexus


mike

People don't make decisions merely on size. Well, I suppose you do.

However, people with more common sense know that quality is a better
gauge to use than quantity in certain cases. A lump of coal is
worthless compared to an intermerate diamond though both are purely
made of carbon.

The typical car buyer has other features and considerations than just
singularly thinking of sheer mass.

When asked my advise, as to which car to buy, I suggest one drive all those
that suits their needs, then get a total drive home price then buy the one
that best suits their budget.

From what we saw in my fleet service business, that the only real difference
between the vehicles on the market today is style and price.

mike

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL
SIZE Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6
Camry, with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car.

They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they
bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers

Why not fair? IMO, it is better than fair if you can show the Malibu is
cheaper but equal or better than the Camry. In a post tonight you stated:
"The price of their vehicles will go up since the vehicles sold by the
Japanese auto manufactures, who already enjoy those competitive
advantages,
sell for 20% to 30% more than domestics "


This is a good opportunity for GM to show then can sell an equivalent car
for far less.

Have you seen the recent Hyundai ads showing the comparison of the Sonata
vs. BMW and the Azera vs. Lexus and the SantaFe vs. Land Rover? Now it
will be Malibu vs. Camry. Good for them.

I did a similar comparison. I was looking at Buick Lucerne but found the
same features in a Sonata for $5000 less. To get stability control, I'd
have to move up in the Lucerne another $5000.

I do like the style of the new Malibu. Far better than the ugly front end
of the Camry.

That may be your opinion but the fact is more American buyers choose to buy
the vehicles sold by GM and Ford than ANY import brand, however.

mike

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote

Ed White wrote:

On May 14, 4:30 pm, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu... (AT) my-deja (DOT) com
wrote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of
dollars
cheaper.

So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu?

a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.

If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.

Apply the same logic to Big Macs, Wal*Mart, Budwiser, etc. If you
think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive.

Here some equally twisted logic for you -

Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE
rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted.
Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low
profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small
noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the
people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars.
They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and
Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent
domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they
convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They
preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often,
they convert others to their faith.

Makes as much sense as your quiz....

I wish it did, but people used to buy Japanese cars for economy, while
now they buy them for quality and reliability, and not only are car
buyers less brand loyal than they used to be, but buyers of Japanese
ares tend to be the least brand loyal of them all.

My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers
instead of themselves.

Really? Would you pay more for a smaller diamond, just because of the name
of the store?

Ask any car salesman and he will tell you the last question a customer asks
before signing on the bottom line to buy the car is always, 'How much is my
monthly payment?' LOL

mike


"Viperkiller" <nothing (AT) nothing (DOT) net> wrote

On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:19 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote:

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars
cheaper.

Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE
Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry,
with
the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car.

They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they
bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers

I was at an auto show where there was a mid size FWD V6 Lexus sitting near
a
loaded RWD V8 Grand Marquis. People were all over the Mercury that has an
MSRP over $12.000 less than the smaller Lexus


mike

People don't make decisions merely on size. Well, I suppose you do.
However, people with more common sense know that quality is a better
gauge to use than quantity in certain cases. A lump of coal is
worthless compared to an intermerate diamond though both are purely
made of carbon.

The typical car buyer has other features and considerations than just
singularly thinking of sheer mass.

Mike Hunter wrote:

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Ed White wrote:

That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper.

So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu?

a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.

If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.

My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers
instead of themselves.

That may be your opinion but the fact is more American buyers choose to buy
the vehicles sold by GM and Ford than ANY import brand, however.

So why doesn't the Malibu outsell the Camry?