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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-02-2007 , 09:34 PM






"Tim J." <tj66821 (AT) usa (DOT) not> wrote

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 14:41:11 -0400, "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com
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"Tim J." <tj66821 (AT) usa (DOT) not> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 09:16:44 -0500, <HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

Emails are being circulated, suggesting that all of us avoid purchasing
gasoline
on May 15, as a show of awareness among drivers.

While it is unlikely to make any big difference, I cant see what it
would
hurt
either.

It would be easy enough for most of us to fill up before or after that
date,
and
see if a show of solidarity would have any effect.


Pointless nonsense.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp

Of course it is, Tim. So, sit on your ass and do nothing, *but*, don't
bitch
when the prices get too high for you.

Reduce demand over the long term and that will have an impact on
prices. Simply shifting the day you purchase the same gas does
nothing.

Every little bit helps.


Please, enlighten us as to how this ridiculous idea would have any
meaningful impact, other than as a "feel good" device to make people
*think* they did something when they really didn't do anything.
I'm not saying this one day will make the gas companies drop the price by 50
cents. What I am saying is it is a step in the right direction. At the
moment, those big oil guys think they can do whatever they want, and we will
just sit back and pay higher and higher prices. If 50,000 people were to do
even this one day, then perhaps the next time, it will be 100,000, and the
next time 200,000.




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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-02-2007 , 09:59 PM






On Wed, 2 May 2007 22:34:06 -0400, "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com>
wrote:

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Please, enlighten us as to how this ridiculous idea would have any
meaningful impact, other than as a "feel good" device to make people
*think* they did something when they really didn't do anything.

I'm not saying this one day will make the gas companies drop the price by 50
cents. What I am saying is it is a step in the right direction. At the
moment, those big oil guys think they can do whatever they want, and we will
just sit back and pay higher and higher prices. If 50,000 people were to do
even this one day, then perhaps the next time, it will be 100,000, and the
next time 200,000.
Then exactly what will be accomplished? They'll just buy their gas
the next day. And if very many people "boycott" gas purchases for a
day, it stands to reason they may encounter long lines at the pump the
next day and even waste gas by waiting their turn to fill up. This
isn't a step in any direction. Like most of the emails that come in
with more than one "Fwd:" in the subject line, it's all horseshit.

Let's say you and a large number of drivers participated in this farce
on the same day OPEC raises crude prices by $5/barrel. Are you
willing to wait to buy gas until the price comes down? If not, it's
an exercise in futility. They've got us over the barrel now (pun
intended). They know we're not going to change our lifestyles with
prices at their current levels. When you are ready to discuss true
steps, like reducing consumption or increasing supply, please check
back in.



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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-02-2007 , 10:01 PM



On Thu, 03 May 2007 01:26:41 GMT, <HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

Quote:
I will gladly give up driving a day or two, to make a point. The station
owner
will NOT be hurt because what he loses one day, he will pick up the next.
If he will pick it up the next day, exactly what is your point?

Quote:
This is to raise awareness.
What are you trying to raise awareness of? I'd think people already
know they are paying a lot more for gas than they were.

Quote:
Same sort of crap that the Hispanics and Blacks
did in their marches. It bought them a lot of concessions from politicians.
I don't know what kind of parallel you are trying to draw here, but it
doesn't square. OK, so some minority groups marched to raise
awareness of situations, but every driver already knows gas costs a
lot more. And who do you think you'll win concessions from? OPEC
couldn't care less, and the government can do little to help, short of
reducing taxes on gasoline. As others have said, it's all supply and
demand.

Quote:
Are you saying that you cannot join in unity for just one day?? Whether
it works or not??
Hell, let's all jack off on the 15th in the spirit of unity. It
doesn't matter if it makes any difference, right?

Quote:
If so, that is a sad commentary..
The sad commentary is that some dimwit started this email garbage a
few years ago, and every time gas prices peak, it gets passed around
again and again. The scary part is that so many people think the
bullshit contained therein is true.



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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 12:49 AM



"Tim J." <tj66821 (AT) usa (DOT) not> wrote

Quote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 22:34:06 -0400, "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com
wrote:

Please, enlighten us as to how this ridiculous idea would have any
meaningful impact, other than as a "feel good" device to make people
*think* they did something when they really didn't do anything.

I'm not saying this one day will make the gas companies drop the price by
50
cents. What I am saying is it is a step in the right direction. At the
moment, those big oil guys think they can do whatever they want, and we
will
just sit back and pay higher and higher prices. If 50,000 people were to
do
even this one day, then perhaps the next time, it will be 100,000, and the
next time 200,000.

Then exactly what will be accomplished? They'll just buy their gas
the next day. And if very many people "boycott" gas purchases for a
day, it stands to reason they may encounter long lines at the pump the
next day and even waste gas by waiting their turn to fill up. This
isn't a step in any direction. Like most of the emails that come in
with more than one "Fwd:" in the subject line, it's all horseshit.

Let's say you and a large number of drivers participated in this farce
on the same day OPEC raises crude prices by $5/barrel. Are you
willing to wait to buy gas until the price comes down? If not, it's
an exercise in futility. They've got us over the barrel now (pun
intended). They know we're not going to change our lifestyles with
prices at their current levels. When you are ready to discuss true
steps, like reducing consumption or increasing supply, please check
back in.
I will totally agree that reducing gas consumption should be an idea in
everyone's mind. But, how do you convince the person making $900,000 a year,
and drives a Hummer, to use less gas? I see people all the time on the NET
posing how they don't give a rat's ass what gas prices are, as they can
afford it. Another thing is you have to look at the MPG ratings for
cars/trucks these days. Some people I have spoke with think it's so awesome
that there brand new car get's 30 MPG on the highway. They are
less-then-impressed when I tell them my 11 year old Bonnie, with a V6 get's
almost the same. With the computing power available these days, all auto
manufactures should be making cars getting well over 30, and I'm not talking
about those shitty little Honda's either. If they could do it 11 years ago,
they should be able to do it a hell of a lot better now.




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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 07:13 AM




"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote


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Come up with a good idea that works and I'll join in.
How about you come up with an idea, Ill join in.
One can find millions of people who can tell you why something cant work,
but to find
one person who can make something work is not an easy task.




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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 07:14 AM



On Thu, 3 May 2007 01:49:28 -0400, "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:
Let's say you and a large number of drivers participated in this farce
on the same day OPEC raises crude prices by $5/barrel. Are you
willing to wait to buy gas until the price comes down? If not, it's
an exercise in futility. They've got us over the barrel now (pun
intended). They know we're not going to change our lifestyles with
prices at their current levels. When you are ready to discuss true
steps, like reducing consumption or increasing supply, please check
back in.

I will totally agree that reducing gas consumption should be an idea in
everyone's mind. But, how do you convince the person making $900,000 a year,
and drives a Hummer, to use less gas? I see people all the time on the NET
posing how they don't give a rat's ass what gas prices are, as they can
afford it.
You start taxing those big bastards. Taxes have historically been
used to curb undesired actions or products (see cigarettes).

Quote:
Another thing is you have to look at the MPG ratings for
cars/trucks these days. Some people I have spoke with think it's so awesome
that there brand new car get's 30 MPG on the highway. They are
less-then-impressed when I tell them my 11 year old Bonnie, with a V6 get's
almost the same. With the computing power available these days, all auto
manufactures should be making cars getting well over 30, and I'm not talking
about those shitty little Honda's either. If they could do it 11 years ago,
they should be able to do it a hell of a lot better now.
I think it's amazing that JFK said in May, 1961 that the US would put
a man on the moon by the end of the decade, and we did it. But no
Apollo-type programs exist for alternate fuels and/or vastly improved
mileage vehicles. As much as I hate to say it, I kind of wish Ross
Perot had won in 1992 and implemented his $.50/gal. tax. That amount
of money put towards energy independence over the past 14+ years would
have gone a LONG way.



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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 10:39 AM





BOYCOTT dealers who sell lo-mileage SUVs and Pickup trucks.

I was at a ( classic ) car show recently.
Lots of trucks and cars from the late 70's.

I was reminded of how much less sheet-metal
it used to take to build a pick-up truck.

They're building modern trucks to LOOK like locomotives.
( part of the "mine's bigger than yours is" syndrome )




On Thu, 03 May 2007 12:13:45 GMT, <HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote:

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Come up with a good idea that works and I'll join in.

How about you come up with an idea, Ill join in.
One can find millions of people who can tell you why something cant work,
but to find
one person who can make something work is not an easy task.

<rj>


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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 10:55 AM




"<RJ>" <baranick (AT) localnet (DOT) com> wrote

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BOYCOTT dealers who sell lo-mileage SUVs and Pickup trucks.

I was at a ( classic ) car show recently.
Lots of trucks and cars from the late 70's.

I was reminded of how much less sheet-metal
it used to take to build a pick-up truck.

They're building modern trucks to LOOK like locomotives.
( part of the "mine's bigger than yours is" syndrome )
We will, I believe, see $4 gas by this summer. I think that the stations
and suppliers are hiking the prices already so that the next level of
increases wont be so obvious. We'll see




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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-03-2007 , 08:32 PM




<HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:Rlc_h.80$LR5.62 (AT) newssvr17 (DOT) news.prodigy.net...

Come up with a good idea that works and I'll join in.

How about you come up with an idea, Ill join in.
One can find millions of people who can tell you why something cant work,
but to find
one person who can make something work is not an easy task.
I already did if you read my post. It was DO NOT DRIVE ONE DAY. That will
have a much bigger impact that buying gas on a different day. No only do we
not buy gas on that day, we use a heck of a lot less of it. Think of the
impact on mass transit systems, on industry, on the news, as well as your
own wallet..




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Default Re: A day without tankfulness - 05-04-2007 , 04:28 AM




"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote


Quote:
I already did if you read my post. It was DO NOT DRIVE ONE DAY. That will
have a much bigger impact that buying gas on a different day. No only do
we
not buy gas on that day, we use a heck of a lot less of it. Think of the
impact on mass transit systems, on industry, on the news, as well as your
own wallet..
Okay, Ed....Pick a day




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