Ford Workers Reject Contract changes

#21

Once again you prove you have no idea what you are talking about! US labor
law does not allow striking union workers to be fired, if the contract has
expired. The Union is still recognized, under labor law, as the bargaining
agent for the workers. In any event ALL UAW contracts have a no strike
clause in effect during the term of the contract, dummy.

That is what got the Air Traffic Control Worker fired by President Reagan,
they went on strike in violation of their ongoing contract.

If the Union members vote to not accept the terms of a new contract they
continue to work under the terms of the old contract, if management agrees,
for a specified time or until the contract is replaced.

My techs were members of the Machinists Union and the ONLY power granted in
any union, under any contract, under US labor law is the power to force
management to abide by the contract it signed with the Union, period

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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God'sLittleAnus wrote:

Greedy UAW workers shoot themselves selves in their fetid feet!

Would someone please inform these uneducated, low-skilled buffoons
that the days of union strikes are over?

While Ford is better off than GM, they too are on the knife's edge. 8:1
debt to equity, big debt payments, competition getting stiffer, expenses
out the wazoo, low sales to historical averags...

Ford can't afford a mistep. If the union causes trouble, fire them all
who walk the line. If enough go on strike, close the whole plan
permanently. Make an example of one, say Deerborn. Put it to them
straight, here is the new rate, take it or leave it.

#22

But, but, but, that is what you have been saying over and over again ever
since you came into the NG but GM still out sells Toyota in the US.
Apparently your opinion is still that of a minority, dummy. LOL

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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Mike Hunter wrote:

But, but, but, GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your
opinion is still that of a minority.

Ceasar was the leader in Rome, now where is he? Companies like people
age. GM has plenty of old age rot inside and it is dying. GM is about
the same difficulty as resurecting the dead. May god help them. But
forgive me if I don't hold my breath. Those loans will never be repaid
and any MBA dork knows you don't sink good money into bad.

GM: Tick-Tock.

#23

What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage of
not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the US, as
well as being supported by the
Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
But, but, but, GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your
opinion is still that of a minority.

But Toyota has been gaining market share and GM has been losing market
share for years. Just look at the pattern.

#24

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

The Ford/UAW contract has not expired, there is a re-opening clause that
allows either side to request early talks, before the contract expires to
AVOID a strike, dummy

What makes you believe the assembly line is filled with uneducated,
low-skilled workers?

Simple. Tell them the day the contract is over, it is over. No
severance needed. Minimum to get rid of the losers. Start making the
replacements offshore.

Or move Ford USA into a holding company, declare Ford USA subsiduary
bankrupt, close the doors and the parent Ford World lives on.

#25

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Quote:

What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage
of not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the US,
as well as being supported by the
Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL

The point is, you keep stating that GM outsell every other car maker. That
maybe true today, but it is not for much longer. GM has been losing market
share for some time and the trend is not changing. They are not making
money. Something radical has to be done or they will be gone. Toyota my be
a big grabber, but so are many other brands taking away from GM.

I used to be a loyal GM buyer. Not any more, they've lost my trust. Many
people feel the same way.

#26

But, but, but how does your opinion square what the fact that industry
statistics show that GM vehicles are 20% to 30% LESS expensive to drive
home, than Jap vehicles of the same size, when similarly equipped, dummy?
LOL

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:

IMPORT THEM?? Tell us, what color is the sky in YOUR world?

Right now it is cold and black.

I will not buy a CAW/UAW made auto. In fact, I don't even want their
parts. Best way to beat that is to buy a true import not make here. I
got a glimpse of the GM prices for new autos, what a screw job, absolutely
insane pricing.

#27

But, but, but that would be a violation of the US labor laws, dummy. Don't
you ever do a search before you choose to speak on subjects of which you
obviously have little or no knowledge? LOL

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Mike Hunter wrote:
The Ford/UAW contract has not expired, there is a re-opening clause that
allows either side to request early talks, before the contract expires to
AVOID a strike, dummy

What makes you believe the assembly line is filled with uneducated,
low-skilled workers?

Simple. Tell them the day the contract is over, it is over. No severance
needed. Minimum to get rid of the losers. Start making the replacements
offshore.

#28

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Quote:

That may be your opinion but it does not make sense. Obviously that is
not the opinion of those that still buy GM vehicles. That is WHY GM is
still number one in sales, more buyers still chose GM over every other.

It was not that many years ago that the soothsayer were predicting Ford,
that at the time was selling seven of the top ten selling vehicles in the
US, would soon out sell GM but that has yet to happen... Toyota has to
first catch up to Fords US sales, before it can catch GM. LOL

I'm not offering an opinion. I'm talking about fact. GM cars have been
losing market share for many years. To many other makes, not just Toyota.
Some decades ago, GM had 41% of the US car market. Just look at the trend.
If not stopped, GM will just fade away at some point.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-market-share-slips-below-20/
It wasn't all that long ago that GM was focused on maintaining its 29
percent market share. Boy what they wouldn't sell give to be back at that
point right now (not including executive pay). Automotive News [sub]
reporting that GM's market share is below 20 percent for the first time in
the company's history (dating back 100 years to 1908). As of May 2008, it's
19.1 percent to be exact. Meanwhile, despite a fall in sales number,
Toyota's market share jumped up to 18.4 percent. Count out the
impossible-to-count out fleet sales and you can be sure Toyota has passed GM
in private market sales. On the positive side, least when GM isn't number
one in its home market any more, a lot of the pressure to move the metal at
all costs will decrease. Maybe. Alright, no.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/28/business/fi-gm-timeline28
1941 - GM market share grows to 41 percent.
1979 - GM's U.S. employment peaks at 618,365, making it the largest private
employer in the country. Worldwide employment is 853,000. Decade features
sales decline, recession, Arab oil embargo and gains by Japanese automakers.

#29

No buts... GM sucks. Poor resall, poor quality. Poor brand image now
that they are corporate welfare, or is that Marxist Government Motors?

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

But, but, but how does your opinion square what the fact that industry
statistics show that GM vehicles are 20% to 30% LESS expensive to drive
home, than Jap vehicles of the same size, when similarly equipped, dummy?
LOL

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4rqIm.3137$gg6.3030 (AT) newsfe25 (DOT) iad...
Mike Hunter wrote:

IMPORT THEM?? Tell us, what color is the sky in YOUR world?
Right now it is cold and black.

I will not buy a CAW/UAW made auto. In fact, I don't even want their
parts. Best way to beat that is to buy a true import not make here. I
got a glimpse of the GM prices for new autos, what a screw job, absolutely
insane pricing.

#30

DUH! Get real, do you think the TOTAL number of vehicles and the TOTAL
number of manufactures has been stagnant for the past 40 years, let alone
from 1908 when less than 30,000 cars were sold, Even today in BO,s bad
economy, the market it is still over 11,000,000

What a buyer chose to buy is indeed indicative of their opinion of which
THEY believe is the better vehicle for them.

2007 was the year when the highest number vehicles ever were sold in the US
and GM sold more that year, when it "share" of that market was lower, than
it did back when it had nearly 50% of the market.

Even today, while the market went down by around 9,000,000 vehicles
annually, GM is still selling more than any other, and you beloved Toyota at
less than 15% still third behind Ford.

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
news:4af35d3e$0$23637$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net...
That may be your opinion but it does not make sense. Obviously that is
not the opinion of those that still buy GM vehicles. That is WHY GM is
still number one in sales, more buyers still chose GM over every other.

It was not that many years ago that the soothsayer were predicting Ford,
that at the time was selling seven of the top ten selling vehicles in the
US, would soon out sell GM but that has yet to happen... Toyota has to
first catch up to Fords US sales, before it can catch GM. LOL

I'm not offering an opinion. I'm talking about fact. GM cars have been
losing market share for many years. To many other makes, not just Toyota.
Some decades ago, GM had 41% of the US car market. Just look at the
trend. If not stopped, GM will just fade away at some point.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-market-share-slips-below-20/
It wasn't all that long ago that GM was focused on maintaining its 29
percent market share. Boy what they wouldn't sell give to be back at that
point right now (not including executive pay). Automotive News [sub]
reporting that GM's market share is below 20 percent for the first time in
the company's history (dating back 100 years to 1908). As of May 2008,
it's 19.1 percent to be exact. Meanwhile, despite a fall in sales number,
Toyota's market share jumped up to 18.4 percent. Count out the
impossible-to-count out fleet sales and you can be sure Toyota has passed
GM in private market sales. On the positive side, least when GM isn't
number one in its home market any more, a lot of the pressure to move the
metal at all costs will decrease. Maybe. Alright, no.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/28/business/fi-gm-timeline28
1941 - GM market share grows to 41 percent.
1979 - GM's U.S. employment peaks at 618,365, making it the largest
private employer in the country. Worldwide employment is 853,000. Decade
features sales decline, recession, Arab oil embargo and gains by Japanese
automakers.