Ford Workers Reject Contract changes

#31

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Quote:

DUH! Get real, do you think the TOTAL number of vehicles and the TOTAL
number of manufactures has been stagnant for the past 40 years, let alone
from 1908 when less than 30,000 cars were sold, Even today in BO,s bad
economy, the market it is still over 11,000,000

What a buyer chose to buy is indeed indicative of their opinion of which
THEY believe is the better vehicle for them.

2007 was the year when the highest number vehicles ever were sold in the
US and GM sold more that year, when it "share" of that market was lower,
than it did back when it had nearly 50% of the market.

Even today, while the market went down by around 9,000,000 vehicles
annually, GM is still selling more than any other, and you beloved Toyota
at less than 15% still third behind Ford.

Market share. They are losing market share. That means they are dying a
slow and painful death. If their stuff was so great, they'd still have that
41% market share. Your second paragraph show exactly why they are losing.
Buyers choose what they believe is better and that is less and less a GM car
or truck.

As for Toyota, they are not beloved to me. Never owned one, no plans to buy
one in the future. I don't give a damn what happens to them.

I happen to like the new Buick LaCrosse, but I don't trust GM enough to buy
one. I bet it would be a nice car for a year or two; then it starts to fall
apart..

#32

Again, you are so dumb.

Toyota with a much smaller debt say looses blood terms like a mosquito bite.

GM in so much debt it is not fathonable, in blood terms is a person cut
right through the neck jugulars and all, like a gusher.

And the effects will be the same.

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage of
not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the US, as
well as being supported by the
Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
But, but, but, GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your
opinion is still that of a minority.
But Toyota has been gaining market share and GM has been losing market
share for years. Just look at the pattern.

#33

Obviously you were not an Economics major, if that is what you think about
growing/declining markets and ones share of that market. When it comes to
total market no matter the number, the one that sells the most, logic says
is the one that largest number of buyers prefer, period. All the others,
not so much, whether you would prefer to buy one or not in immaterial LOL

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
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DUH! Get real, do you think the TOTAL number of vehicles and the TOTAL
number of manufactures has been stagnant for the past 40 years, let alone
from 1908 when less than 30,000 cars were sold, Even today in BO,s bad
economy, the market it is still over 11,000,000

What a buyer chose to buy is indeed indicative of their opinion of which
THEY believe is the better vehicle for them.

2007 was the year when the highest number vehicles ever were sold in the
US and GM sold more that year, when it "share" of that market was lower,
than it did back when it had nearly 50% of the market.

Even today, while the market went down by around 9,000,000 vehicles
annually, GM is still selling more than any other, and you beloved Toyota
at less than 15% still third behind Ford.

Market share. They are losing market share. That means they are dying a
slow and painful death. If their stuff was so great, they'd still have
that 41% market share. Your second paragraph show exactly why they are
losing. Buyers choose what they believe is better and that is less and
less a GM car or truck.

As for Toyota, they are not beloved to me. Never owned one, no plans to
buy one in the future. I don't give a damn what happens to them.

I happen to like the new Buick LaCrosse, but I don't trust GM enough to
buy one. I bet it would be a nice car for a year or two; then it starts
to fall apart..

#34

Once aging you have chosen to comment on a subject of which you obviously
have little of no knowledge.

As long as one can service their debt, it is not a problem. One may have a
$100,000 or $100,000 000 mortgage, but one does not have a "DEBT" problem as
long as you can easily pay the monthly cost of amortizing the mortgage,
dummy.

The difference between the NEW GM and Toyota is, GM must pay back the money
they received from its government with interest, as well as pay US Corporate
Tax on the profits it earns in the US, and Toyota does not need to pay back
the money it gets from its government.

In adding Toyota will continue to get money from the Japanese government, as
it has ever since WWII, as long as it brings back the US Corporate Tax free
profits it earns in the US, to Japan

"Canuck57" <Canuck57 (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Again, you are so dumb.

Toyota with a much smaller debt say looses blood terms like a mosquito
bite.

GM in so much debt it is not fathonable, in blood terms is a person cut
right through the neck jugulars and all, like a gusher.

And the effects will be the same.

Mike Hunter wrote:
What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage
of not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the
US, as well as being supported by the
Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:5tidnZJjZaricm3XnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
But, but, but, GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your
opinion is still that of a minority.
But Toyota has been gaining market share and GM has been losing market
share for years. Just look at the pattern.