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Piss on the UAW
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Re: Piss on the UAW -
05-10-2007
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"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:a4CdnacwVZzlZqLbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... That's just the thing. Once you're number one, you can't just assume you'll always be number one. Someone is always looking to drop number two on you. Once GM cars were good, better than Ford, even. But they assumed they would always be on top at some point, and real innovation slowly died. I have to disagree with this statement Charles. I don't see where GM (or any of the US automakers for that matter) have been left behind by the innovative designs of the competition. In fact, I see where GM has either kept up with, or lead in innovations - not all of them the most necessary IMHO, but right up front all the same. Now, quality control and durability designs might be another topic. Where most GM owners have felt the most abandoned by GM is in the lack of quality in components and design, and the manner in which GM pushed off the expense for this on the consumer. My GMC truck has over a million KM's on it. 1,350, 000 km to be exact. |
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"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:daWdnddaesJAlNzbnZ2dnUVZ_o6gnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... snipped Toyota is a little smarter. Happy employees don't strike. Happy employees work better. Happy employees don't need a union. . . . Charles of Schaumburg When I first started working in the SF Regional office, the 15 warehousemen were union. One of them thought to ask what Toyota's standard benefits were, and if they would get the same benefits as the other employees in the office. They voted to de-unionize, and got full healthcare benefits for themselves and their families, including vision and dental without another deduction from their pay check, were eligible for greatly discounted employee lease cars (including all scheduled maintenance, insurance, and unlimited mileage) after 5 years, got a pay raise on a par with the other non-union employees, got employment anniversary gifts, more vacation and sick time, a 401K, and all without having to pay union dues. I've always had benefits, etc, and I didn't have to switch companies. |
are 59 bucks a month. That's not a lot of money!
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"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:daWdnddaesJAlNzbnZ2dnUVZ_o6gnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... snipped Toyota is a little smarter. Happy employees don't strike. Happy employees work better. Happy employees don't need a union. . . . Charles of Schaumburg When I first started working in the SF Regional office, the 15 warehousemen were union. One of them thought to ask what Toyota's standard benefits were, and if they would get the same benefits as the other employees in the office. They voted to de-unionize, and got full healthcare benefits for themselves and their families, including vision and dental without another deduction from their pay check, were eligible for greatly discounted employee lease cars (including all scheduled maintenance, insurance, and unlimited mileage) after 5 years, got a pay raise on a par with the other non-union employees, got employment anniversary gifts, more vacation and sick time, a 401K, and all without having to pay union dues. I've always had benefits, etc, and I didn't have to switch companies. |
are 59 bucks a month. That's not a lot of money!
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In article <4909a$46414778$47c2b532$24436 (AT) msgid (DOT) meganewsservers.com>, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> says... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:daWdnddaesJAlNzbnZ2dnUVZ_o6gnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... snipped Toyota is a little smarter. Happy employees don't strike. Happy employees work better. Happy employees don't need a union. . . . Charles of Schaumburg When I first started working in the SF Regional office, the 15 warehousemen were union. One of them thought to ask what Toyota's standard benefits were, and if they would get the same benefits as the other employees in the office. They voted to de-unionize, and got full healthcare benefits for themselves and their families, including vision and dental without another deduction from their pay check, were eligible for greatly discounted employee lease cars (including all scheduled maintenance, insurance, and unlimited mileage) after 5 years, got a pay raise on a par with the other non-union employees, got employment anniversary gifts, more vacation and sick time, a 401K, and all without having to pay union dues. I've always had benefits, etc, and I didn't have to switch companies. My employer isn't doing this because he is a nice guy. My union dues are 59 bucks a month. That's not a lot of money! |
with an apprentice training program or employers who do not take care of
their employees. In the case of the office where I worked, Toyota's
standard pay scale and benefits were better than what their union had
negotiated.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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I've always had benefits, etc, and I didn't have to switch companies. My employer isn't doing this because he is a nice guy. My union dues are 59 bucks a month. That's not a lot of money! |
line their pockets.
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If it wasn't for Unions there would be low wages, no pension funds no dental or medical for anyone "union or non union. The rich would just love this. Unions give an average Joe a chance to buy a house and a car. That is slowly disappearing as union membership depletes. That would put another couple million dollars in the rich peoples wallets, and make an already inflated ego match the thickness of their money belts. |
70's, that began to change. The unions are the ones that became greedy.
Yes, they did fight for the working man for many years and improved working
conditions for everyone. I worked for a company that had a union and it was
pathetic how they exploited the workers so the union representatives could
drive the big fancy cars. Our workers were unskilled and got paid a
reasonable wage for what they did, but the union took a big chuck for their
"health and welfare" package. No one in the company ever received a penny
of benefits from them the entire time. The negotiators from the union HQ
told us what they wanted in advance of the negotiations charade.
Some trades unions now have apprenticeship programs and realize they must
help the worker in order to exist themselves. Perhaps the pendulum is going
to swing to center.
We all to often see unions protecting some jerk that deserves to be fired
too. That does more to hurt their image IMO, than to help it.
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I've always had benefits, etc, and I didn't have to switch companies. My employer isn't doing this because he is a nice guy. My union dues are 59 bucks a month. That's not a lot of money! |
The hours were shitty, the work rules stupid,
and the shop steward was a "joke".
Of course, promotion went by seniority.... not competence.
On top of that, the union newsletter put out a
monthly tirade about how crappy the company was.
I don't know who was being screwed more;
The company who had to put up with these clowns
or the workers who got a "newsletter" for their dues.
<rj>
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"b" <bob (AT) hishouse (DOT) com> wrote in message If it wasn't for Unions there would be low wages, no pension funds no dental or medical for anyone "union or non union. The rich would just love this. Unions give an average Joe a chance to buy a house and a car. That is slowly disappearing as union membership depletes. That would put another couple million dollars in the rich peoples wallets, and make an already inflated ego match the thickness of their money belts. Back in the early part of the 1900's, you are correct. About the 60's or 70's, that began to change. The unions are the ones that became greedy. Yes, they did fight for the working man for many years and improved working conditions for everyone. I worked for a company that had a union and it was pathetic how they exploited the workers so the union representatives could drive the big fancy cars. Our workers were unskilled and got paid a reasonable wage for what they did, but the union took a big chuck for their "health and welfare" package. No one in the company ever received a penny of benefits from them the entire time. The negotiators from the union HQ told us what they wanted in advance of the negotiations charade. Some trades unions now have apprenticeship programs and realize they must help the worker in order to exist themselves. Perhaps the pendulum is going to swing to center. We all to often see unions protecting some jerk that deserves to be fired too. That does more to hurt their image IMO, than to help it. I agree with you. There's nothing I hate more than a working person |
members in the building trades category. A couple are pipe fitters, a
few are drywallers, and 1 electrician. The drywallers work hard. You
ever seen a fat guy putting up Gyproc. The electrician plays on the
computer all day, and gets paid very well. He gives us a bad name. It
drives me nuts when he tells me what he did that particular day "which
is nothing" I politely smile . Our tax dollars hard at work. He's a
government employee. I don't like to sit on the fence, so I grudgingly
support him as well, otherwise I would be a hypocrite. Anyway, my point
being, most of us work very hard.
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In article <question*mark-36D5C2.17525407052007 @comcast.dca.giganews.com>, question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com says... In article <q1N%h.114354$VU4.73797 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ZDM%h.8133$ya1.2082 (AT) news02 (DOT) roc.ny... "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote in message news  yM%h.114269$VU4.87083 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...Where were you or (your parents) back around 1972 when everyone [started] to buy those Great (Cheaper) Japanese TV's and other consumer electronic products? Can you remember any of the names like RCA, Philco, Motorola, Zenith, Emerson or Admiral etc? Plus all the brand names like Sears, Wards and Pacific Mercury? All put out of business costing millions of Americans too eventually lose their jobs, including me! Some belonged to a union some not. All Japanese auto plants in this country should eventually be unionized but that will dive up the price so we'll need a new invasion to reduce costs. Why do you think the Japanese plants should be unionized eventually? I really do not as it is a loosing battle. The American worker wants a good paying job (middle income bracket) with security, health insurance and pension benefits. Money enough to buy a home and send the kids off to a good education. That is a reasonable quest but getting hard to find today. No industry (except for government jobs) will provide that. He wrongfully expects that a union will! Those jobs started to disappear about 1972 and nothing in the future will change that. I read a report that home ownership is as high as it's ever been. Thanks to GWB. He is a promoter of home ownership. The economy is doing very well. Stock market is at record highs, which means IRA's are doing very well as are 401K's. Citizens should be pleased with the way things are going domestically. Home ownership is high because of kids that have rich parents from the Baby Boomer generation. Inheritance is the reason, Nothing else. Their parents belonged to a Union. You're an Idiot. |
them (or even helping). Mine did it on their own. And they did it many
years before (younger age) that I was able to. Same with most I know.
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Piss on the UAW From: b <bob (AT) hishouse (DOT) com To: Date: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:50:54 PM In article <question*mark-36D5C2.17525407052007 @comcast.dca.giganews.com>, question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com says... In article <q1N%h.114354$VU4.73797 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ZDM%h.8133$ya1.2082 (AT) news02 (DOT) roc.ny... "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote in message news yM%h.114269$VU4.87083 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...Where were you or (your parents) back around 1972 when everyone [started] to buy those Great (Cheaper) Japanese TV's and other consumer electronic products? Can you remember any of the names like RCA, Philco, Motorola, Zenith, Emerson or Admiral etc? Plus all the brand names like Sears, Wards and Pacific Mercury? All put out of business costing millions of Americans too eventually lose their jobs, including me! Some belonged to a union some not. All Japanese auto plants in this country should eventually be unionized but that will dive up the price so we'll need a new invasion to reduce costs. Why do you think the Japanese plants should be unionized eventually? I really do not as it is a loosing battle. The American worker wants a good paying job (middle income bracket) with security, health insurance and pension benefits. Money enough to buy a home and send the kids off to a good education. That is a reasonable quest but getting hard to find today. No industry (except for government jobs) will provide that. He wrongfully expects that a union will! Those jobs started to disappear about 1972 and nothing in the future will change that. I read a report that home ownership is as high as it's ever been. Thanks to GWB. He is a promoter of home ownership. The economy is doing very well. Stock market is at record highs, which means IRA's are doing very well as are 401K's. Citizens should be pleased with the way things are going domestically. Home ownership is high because of kids that have rich parents from the Baby Boomer generation. Inheritance is the reason, Nothing else. Their parents belonged to a Union. You're an Idiot. I know 2 friends where their parents bought their kids houses outright. |
friends that have done it all on their own. You're too stupid to
understand this. Because you didn't know anyone's parents who bought
their kids a house, therefore what I'm saying must be false? That's
your logic? You're an idiot!
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