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Re: Piss on the UAW -
05-13-2007
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Smart, productive, honest employees that work for employers that treat them like dirt need a union. |
well and you can change jobs more readily. There are always exceptions, but
many years ago it was not so easy. Management, for the most part, knows
they have to treat people with some measure of respect and fairness or they
won't have good employees or they will have a union .
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Think about what you said. We are completive in those products the can not be "sent" offshore, like medical care and our natural recourses. |
is being done offshore. Even some elective surgery has been done overseas
at greatly reduced cost.
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In article <46461F00.2070707 (AT) nospam (DOT) com>, nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com says... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Piss on the UAW From: b <bob (AT) hishouse (DOT) com To: Date: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:50:54 PM In article <question*mark-36D5C2.17525407052007 @comcast.dca.giganews.com>, question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com says... In article <q1N%h.114354$VU4.73797 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ZDM%h.8133$ya1.2082 (AT) news02 (DOT) roc.ny... "Sudy Nim" <pseudonym (AT) noplace (DOT) com> wrote in message news  yM%h.114269$VU4.87083 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...Where were you or (your parents) back around 1972 when everyone [started] to buy those Great (Cheaper) Japanese TV's and other consumer electronic products? Can you remember any of the names like RCA, Philco, Motorola, Zenith, Emerson or Admiral etc? Plus all the brand names like Sears, Wards and Pacific Mercury? All put out of business costing millions of Americans too eventually lose their jobs, including me! Some belonged to a union some not. All Japanese auto plants in this country should eventually be unionized but that will dive up the price so we'll need a new invasion to reduce costs. Why do you think the Japanese plants should be unionized eventually? I really do not as it is a loosing battle. The American worker wants a good paying job (middle income bracket) with security, health insurance and pension benefits. Money enough to buy a home and send the kids off to a good education. That is a reasonable quest but getting hard to find today. No industry (except for government jobs) will provide that. He wrongfully expects that a union will! Those jobs started to disappear about 1972 and nothing in the future will change that. I read a report that home ownership is as high as it's ever been. Thanks to GWB. He is a promoter of home ownership. The economy is doing very well. Stock market is at record highs, which means IRA's are doing very well as are 401K's. Citizens should be pleased with the way things are going domestically. Home ownership is high because of kids that have rich parents from the Baby Boomer generation. Inheritance is the reason, Nothing else. Their parents belonged to a Union. You're an Idiot. I know 2 friends where their parents bought their kids houses outright. I know of about 6 others that had "a lot" of help. But I also know friends that have done it all on their own. You're too stupid to understand this. Because you didn't know anyone's parents who bought their kids a house, therefore what I'm saying must be false? That's your logic? You're an idiot! |
helped their kids on occasion in my generation as well and I'm sure some
are also doing so in this generation (I just don't happen to know of
any). So the situation isn't anything new.
Do you have any hard statistics that you can cite for the rest of us to
demonstrate your assertion that this is happening more frequently today?
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In message news:MPG.20b02131d06c6ee59896c4 (AT) shawnews (DOT) vc.shawcable.net, b sprach forth the following: In article <Xns992EC54BA1473FredGarvin (AT) 66 (DOT) 250.146.128>, nospam (AT) whitehouse (DOT) gov says... In message news:daWdnddaesJAlNzbnZ2dnUVZ_o6gnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com, n5hsr sprach forth the following: Toyota is a little smarter. Happy employees don't strike. Happy employees work better. Happy employees don't need a union. . . . SMART employees don't need a union. PRODUCTIVE employees don't need a union. HONEST employees don't need a union. If all "employers" were smart, intelligent, honest, fair, there would be no need for a union. Trust me, this isn't the case. I've gone through some really bad employers. It's amazing they managed to hang on to their business. Well, if you're smart, productive and honest, you can find another job AND have the satisfaction of seeing the bad boss's business go down in flames. If you're NOT, then BOTH you AND the business will go down in flames. And unions generally accelerate the process. You're right about some of your comments. I left my company after 24 |
same union "teamsters". I think it's not knowing what lies ahead
preventing people from changing their job or situation. As long as you
can pay your mortgage, bills etc., you sort of get in to a comfortable
rut, not knowing that there are better options out there. It's like a
bad marriage. My company just stopped paying his employees, they held
back 1 month of pay so we were forced to leave. We ended taking him to
the labour relations board and got our money back. We wouldn't have had
that option had we not been in a union. There is a non union option
where you can take your employer for situations like I described, but
this organization has no teeth. We would have been up the creek without
a paddle if we weren't unionized. This guy ended up getting murdered.
Anyway, there aren't a lot of company s that pay as well as the union
company s, plus there are no benefits. I think why everyone on this NG
o0r in general are anti union because of media manipulation. The people
in the media are part of big corporations that are anti union, you either
tow the party line or kiss your job goodbye. You want to live in Mexico
where there is 10% rich people and 90% living in poverty?
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My company just stopped paying his employees, they held back 1 month of pay so we were forced to leave. We ended taking him to the labour relations board and got our money back. We wouldn't have had that option had we not been in a union. There is a non union option where you can take your employer for situations like I described, but this organization has no teeth. |
employer was sleazy though.
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I think why everyone on this NG or in general are anti union because of media manipulation. |
unions and union negotiations. I've seen the members sold down the river by
union bosses that were just out for themselves. They did not give a damn
about the members, except to take their dues money.
Like evrtying else in life, the are some good, some bad. The pendulum has
swung over the past few decades. Maybe it will swing again.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
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In message news 6udnVcFQ9yQz9rbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net, Mike Huntersprach forth the following: Think about what you said. We are competive in those products the can not be "sent" offshore, like medical care and our natural recourses. Where we are losing are those job that can be "sent" offshore. Who is doing the sending? The American consumer, shore to a foreign company that offers even lower wages fewer benefits, that operates with far less government regulations and environmental laws and pays no US federal taxes with whom their US employer must compete. Forget about unions just make sure you kids can say.'Welcome to WalMart' or 'Do you want fries with that?' and you will be fine. My kids won't be indoctrinated at unionized government schools and therefore won't need to learn either phrase. |
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In article <f6f162466bdbe0dfd0ef1d86383d9c2b (AT) mixmaster (DOT) it George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: Windsor Star http://snipurl.com/1jofs ..None of the job applicants were bothered by Toyota being a non-union environment. "If I can't hold onto my job without a union backing me, then I have no business working," Harrison said. Wall Street Journal - May 14, 2007 DaimlerChrysler AG is expected to announce as early as today a deal to sell a controlling stake in Chrysler Group, Detroit's No. 3 auto maker, to private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP, according to people familiar with the matter. The proposed deal would allow the German auto giant to shed Chrysler's $18 billion in retirement and health-care liabilities and could open the door to further restructuring of the nation's unionized auto makers. A private-equity takeover of Chrysler would mark a watershed for the industry, which is struggling under the weight of massive pension and health-care obligations to its union workers. Those debts and the cash required to fund them have hobbled General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler in the face of relentless competition from Asian and European rivals... |
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Better that GM etal should move their corporate headquarter to Japan and reap the benefits of Japan Inc. Just think NO US federal corporate taxes. They can get ride of the unions, pay their employees less, offer then fewer benefits with no structured pension plan. By becoming a Japanese corporation buyers will assume the products are better, as well believing the vehicles are more fuel efficient.. Just think of what that will do for the US as well. Once they are no longer an American corporation there will be no US manufactures to worry about then they, and the current Japanese auto manufactures, can make all of the parts and the cars in low wage, less regulated countries and eliminate a lot of the pollution in the US. The price of their vehicles will go up since the vehicles sold by the Japanese auto manufactures, who already enjoy those competitive advantages, sell for 20% to 30% more than domestics  mike "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messagenews:c764523b9a0d9820074d3d43dc55a89f (AT) mixmaster (DOT) it... In article <f6f162466bdbe0dfd0ef1d86383d9... (AT) mixmaster (DOT) it George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: Windsor Starhttp://snipurl.com/1jofs ..None of the job applicants were bothered by Toyota being a non-union environment. "If I can't hold onto my job without a union backing me, then I have no business working," Harrison said. Wall Street Journal - May 14, 2007 DaimlerChrysler AG is expected to announce as early as today a deal to sell a controlling stake in Chrysler Group, Detroit's No. 3 auto maker, to private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP, according to people familiar with the matter. The proposed deal would allow the German auto giant to shed Chrysler's $18 billion in retirement and health-care liabilities and could open the door to further restructuring of the nation's unionized auto makers. A private-equity takeover of Chrysler would mark a watershed for the industry, which is struggling under the weight of massive pension and health-care obligations to its union workers. Those debts and the cash required to fund them have hobbled General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler in the face of relentless competition from Asian and European rivals...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
dealer. I've experienced domestic dealers for years trying to convince
me that "they all make that noise, there's nothing we can do about
it", when taking my car in for warranty service. Or trying to blame me
for the problem.
When treated this way by a Chevrolet dealer, 40 years ago a person
would have maybe bought a Ford or Chrysler the next time. But now,
they can buy a Toyota or Kia or Nissan.
I bought a used Toyota pickup in 2000. I bought it with 219,000 miles
on the clock. Two years later, it blew a head gasket and the leaking
coolant pitted the cylinders. Not only were the head gaskets replaced
under a factory recall by Toyota, the short block was replaced as well
with a brand new one. All on Toyota's dime. Without any screaming on
my part. It now has 340,000 miles on it and runs very well indeed.
The writing was on the wall many years ago when Henry Ford II was
asked about the Volkswagen and dismissed the car, calling it "a little
shitbox". Guess which car surpassed the Model T with the most units
built ever???? That's right -- the Volkswagen Beetle. Over 25 million.
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In message news:MPG.20b1317eb5e5bfa989689 (AT) shawnews (DOT) vc.shawcable.net, b sprach forth the following: My company just stopped paying his employees Why? He had a union company and a non union company. He brought his union |
employees so we'd quit. It worked. We made a deal with the Labour
relations board that we wouldn't file any more grievances, if he gave us
our money. We were offered a job at his non union company before the LRB
hearing, but we turned it down. This guy was bad news.
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In message news:MPG.20b2ea662d82019f98968b (AT) shawnews (DOT) vc.shawcable.net, b sprach forth the following: In article <Xns992FC87D62AF7FredGarvin (AT) 66 (DOT) 250.146.128>, nospam (AT) whitehouse (DOT) gov says... In message news:MPG.20b1317eb5e5bfa989689 (AT) shawnews (DOT) vc.shawcable.net, b sprach forth the following: My company just stopped paying his employees Why? He had a union company and a non union company. He brought his union accounts over to his non union company. He stopped paying his union employees so we'd quit. It worked. We made a deal with the Labour relations board that we wouldn't file any more grievances, if he gave us our money. We were offered a job at his non union company before the LRB hearing, but we turned it down. This guy was bad news. Is the non-union shop still operating? If so that says he's not. Yes, but he would only hire people from India that don't speak English |
booming as well, so I guess their minimum wage is lower than ours. They
live with their families "sometimes 10-15 people to a house", so it's
easy to compete. Anyway, like I said in a previous post, he was murdered
by someone he stole from. So he was successful in his business while he
was alive, but had a very lengthy criminal record, for wife beating,
fraud, etc. so not so successful in his personal life. He was on BCTV
"our local news station" a couple times, for domestic violence. He had a
video of the RCMP throwing him around on his surveillance camera at his
house, which was also on BCTV. He edited it, so it didn't show him
spitting on the police before they beat him up. Kind of like the Rodney
King thing. This guy was a nasty person. I still their trucks driving
around on occasion, so I guess they're still in business.
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