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NickySantoro
 
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Default Re: Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier... - 01-24-2006 , 05:48 PM






On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:15:31 -0600, "twfsa" <twfuksa (AT) qwest (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
The Big 3 need to stop building junk! manufacture something that doesn't
need $2k worth of repairs as soon as the warranty expires, they should go
100K with only maintance,tires, and normal ware out items shocks,
brakes,belts and hoses. There in the position there in because, thats where
they aligned them self,saving a nickle here and a dime there on parts, that
are not worth a shit!

Tom
By your description it seems you are familiar with my Caddy.




Quote:
"pushdamagicbuttondude" <wheezers555 (AT) verizonsucksass (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebb88$43d5bebc$d1cc7b72$7422 (AT) snip (DOT) allthenewsgroups.com...
July 23 2005:

"More than a month ago, GM informed us that they would be
eliminating another 25,000 additional hourly production worker
jobs, accompanied by the closure of an unspecified number
of production facilities, probably seven. Unless there is aid from
Congress, which developed for Chrysler in the 1980s, we will
witness the disappearance of one of the most powerful
corporations of the 20th century. If GM goes under we will lose
a priceless, technologically advanced machine-tool capability.
The termination of 25% of operating capacity will terminate
the incomes of some 500,000 individuals and suppliers of one
form or another, a tribute to free trade and globalization.
GM is disassembling its operations in the US and globalizing them.
Already 45% of GM’s North American production
capacity – some 15 plants – is unused or produces models that
generate little or no profit. That means more closings are on the way.
Then there is the pension plan that is underfunded by $45 billion
and effects 1.2 million pensioners and $270 billion in junk
bonds, which could eventually destroy the derivatives market.
The carnage at GM has only just begun and will be followed by Ford.
Not a pretty picture, but reality as we see it today and in the future.
As long as corporate America offshores and outsources, the American
economy will continue to collapse."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=18

September 03, 2005:

"Detroit and Michigan is a zone of the living dead. Detroit represents
the deliberately arranged decline of American manufacturing.
The dangerous path of offshoring and outsourcing will lead not
only to the destruction of the US economic base, but it will take
down the rest of the world with it. During the past 55 years
Detroit's population has fallen from 1.8 million to 900,000 in
round figures. That is extraordinary deindustrialization. Ford's
River Rouge plant once employed 100,000. Today, it is 6,000.
Since 1970, it has lost 75% of its manufacturing and jobs.
Whole areas of the city have been leveled. We see the same
happening to a lesser degree in Buffalo, NY; Chicago;
Cleveland; Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and generally throughout
Indiana, Ohio, Quebec and Ontario in Canada.
Today the median household Detroit income is one-third lower
than it was 30-years ago. About 50% of homeowners pay 40%
or more of their income on the mortgage on their homes.
Thirty percent of housing stock is in worse condition than normal
and still takes 40% to 50% of income to either finance or pay rent
on. The sad story goes on and we do not see it getting any better
thanks to free trade and globalization."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=17

"Delphi, the nation’s largest auto supplier, is bankrupt.
Production and 35,000 high paying American jobs are
being moved to China. 12,000 retirees will receive
one-third of their pensions from the PBGC, which is
from us, the American taxpayer. You can thank
General Motors for a failure that was planned 25 years ago.
Delphi wants to cut the wages of 35,000 workers by
two-thirds, or to $10.00 an hour to compete with China.
Delphi employs 185,000 workers worldwide.
*****
GM’s future liabilities will increase by $11 billion and in three
years or less GM will file bankruptcy and their business
will be sold off in segments to vulture investors.

(...re-read that again till it sinks in)
*****
In order to try to avoid bankruptcy Delphi wanted workers
to take wages of $10 to $12 an hour instead of $26 to $30
that they make today. Delphi will also stop paying 4,000
workers who no longer have jobs to do. At the same time
the company management increased the severance packages
of its top 21 executives. Once again, corporate America
cannot help itself. They are consumed with greed. We see a
disgusting spectacle of the people at the top taking care
of themselves and at the same time demanding extraordinary
sacrifices from their hourly workers. Delphi was the 63rd
largest US company with annual revenues of $28.62 billion.
Our Congress and the American people just don’t get it.
There economy is being ripped out from underneath them.
Their entire society is being destroyed and no one seems
to care. The answer is protective tariffs and quotas and a
reversal of our national policy of free trade and globalization."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=13


DUMP BUSH AND THE GOP CORPORATE NEOCONS NOW !!!
THEY ARE DESTROYING AMERICA FROM WITHOUT AND WITHIN.



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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier... - 01-24-2006 , 07:04 PM






I have not had a problem with any of my cars in 25 years or more, foreign or
domestic. Perhaps you guys do not do the proper maintenance?


mike hunt


"NickySantoro" <NickySantoro (AT) optonline (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:15:31 -0600, "twfsa" <twfuksa (AT) qwest (DOT) net> wrote:

The Big 3 need to stop building junk! manufacture something that doesn't
need $2k worth of repairs as soon as the warranty expires, they should go
100K with only maintance,tires, and normal ware out items shocks,
brakes,belts and hoses. There in the position there in because, thats
where
they aligned them self,saving a nickle here and a dime there on parts,
that
are not worth a shit!

Tom

By your description it seems you are familiar with my Caddy.




"pushdamagicbuttondude" <wheezers555 (AT) verizonsucksass (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ebb88$43d5bebc$d1cc7b72$7422 (AT) snip (DOT) allthenewsgroups.com...
July 23 2005:

"More than a month ago, GM informed us that they would be
eliminating another 25,000 additional hourly production worker
jobs, accompanied by the closure of an unspecified number
of production facilities, probably seven. Unless there is aid from
Congress, which developed for Chrysler in the 1980s, we will
witness the disappearance of one of the most powerful
corporations of the 20th century. If GM goes under we will lose
a priceless, technologically advanced machine-tool capability.
The termination of 25% of operating capacity will terminate
the incomes of some 500,000 individuals and suppliers of one
form or another, a tribute to free trade and globalization.
GM is disassembling its operations in the US and globalizing them.
Already 45% of GM's North American production
capacity - some 15 plants - is unused or produces models that
generate little or no profit. That means more closings are on the way.
Then there is the pension plan that is underfunded by $45 billion
and effects 1.2 million pensioners and $270 billion in junk
bonds, which could eventually destroy the derivatives market.
The carnage at GM has only just begun and will be followed by Ford.
Not a pretty picture, but reality as we see it today and in the future.
As long as corporate America offshores and outsources, the American
economy will continue to collapse."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=18

September 03, 2005:

"Detroit and Michigan is a zone of the living dead. Detroit represents
the deliberately arranged decline of American manufacturing.
The dangerous path of offshoring and outsourcing will lead not
only to the destruction of the US economic base, but it will take
down the rest of the world with it. During the past 55 years
Detroit's population has fallen from 1.8 million to 900,000 in
round figures. That is extraordinary deindustrialization. Ford's
River Rouge plant once employed 100,000. Today, it is 6,000.
Since 1970, it has lost 75% of its manufacturing and jobs.
Whole areas of the city have been leveled. We see the same
happening to a lesser degree in Buffalo, NY; Chicago;
Cleveland; Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and generally throughout
Indiana, Ohio, Quebec and Ontario in Canada.
Today the median household Detroit income is one-third lower
than it was 30-years ago. About 50% of homeowners pay 40%
or more of their income on the mortgage on their homes.
Thirty percent of housing stock is in worse condition than normal
and still takes 40% to 50% of income to either finance or pay rent
on. The sad story goes on and we do not see it getting any better
thanks to free trade and globalization."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=17

"Delphi, the nation's largest auto supplier, is bankrupt.
Production and 35,000 high paying American jobs are
being moved to China. 12,000 retirees will receive
one-third of their pensions from the PBGC, which is
from us, the American taxpayer. You can thank
General Motors for a failure that was planned 25 years ago.
Delphi wants to cut the wages of 35,000 workers by
two-thirds, or to $10.00 an hour to compete with China.
Delphi employs 185,000 workers worldwide.
*****
GM's future liabilities will increase by $11 billion and in three
years or less GM will file bankruptcy and their business
will be sold off in segments to vulture investors.

(...re-read that again till it sinks in)
*****
In order to try to avoid bankruptcy Delphi wanted workers
to take wages of $10 to $12 an hour instead of $26 to $30
that they make today. Delphi will also stop paying 4,000
workers who no longer have jobs to do. At the same time
the company management increased the severance packages
of its top 21 executives. Once again, corporate America
cannot help itself. They are consumed with greed. We see a
disgusting spectacle of the people at the top taking care
of themselves and at the same time demanding extraordinary
sacrifices from their hourly workers. Delphi was the 63rd
largest US company with annual revenues of $28.62 billion.
Our Congress and the American people just don't get it.
There economy is being ripped out from underneath them.
Their entire society is being destroyed and no one seems
to care. The answer is protective tariffs and quotas and a
reversal of our national policy of free trade and globalization."
http://www.theinternationalforecaste....php?Offset=13


DUMP BUSH AND THE GOP CORPORATE NEOCONS NOW !!!
THEY ARE DESTROYING AMERICA FROM WITHOUT AND WITHIN.





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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier... - 01-25-2006 , 12:44 PM



The ONLY Toyota workers that are well paid and receiving decent benefits are
those that work in the union GM/Toyota plant in California.

How long do you think American workers, in low wage plants like those of
Toyota and Honda, will sit back and watch all of those profit going to Japan
tax tree? There is a movement afoot, as we speak, among Honda workers in
Ohio to unionize.

mike hunt


"Hawk" <taoHawk2003 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert wrote:

According to your theory the Toyota and Honda workers must have horrible
working conditions and lousy compensation as they are not unionized in the
US. Nothing could be further from the truth.

From what I understand it is extremely difficult to get a job in one of
their plants. They don't have a lot of turnover, and they get a lot of
applicants when positions are available. Toyota lineworkers are some of
the highest paid in the industry. This shouldn't be possible operating
under your theory.



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John Horner
 
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Default Re: Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier... - 01-25-2006 , 01:31 PM



Mike Hunter wrote:
Quote:
The ONLY Toyota workers that are well paid and receiving decent benefits are
those that work in the union GM/Toyota plant in California.

How long do you think American workers, in low wage plants like those of
Toyota and Honda, will sit back and watch all of those profit going to Japan
tax tree? There is a movement afoot, as we speak, among Honda workers in
Ohio to unionize.

mike hunt

Is there some new news on this? The Unions have tried to organize
Honda's Ohio plants for many years and the past efforts all went down in
flames.

Such as in 1999:
http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/st...13/story7.html

Do you have any more recent information showing that something is
different now?

John


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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier... - 01-25-2006 , 02:24 PM



The unions failed to gain representation in the Mack plant and the supplier
plants around the Mack truck plant in North Carolina at first as well, but
they are nearly all represented plant today. NC is a right to work state.

My source is a nephew that works in the assembly plant. True past efforts
to get enough signatures to allow workers to vote on union representation
have fallen short. The latest effort looks more like a vote is likely.
Honda, like all who are targeted by unions, spend a lot a company time and
effort to convince workers they do not 'want' a union. They threaten to
reduce the work force of even shut down and such, but the first thing the
company does is improve the wage and benefit structure. The first thing the
union tells the workers on the next try is, we got you your last employment
package improvement and we are not yet representing you. Can you imagine
what we can do for you if we do get to represent you? LOL

mike hunt



mike hunt
"John Horner" <jthorner (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Mike Hunter wrote:
The ONLY Toyota workers that are well paid and receiving decent benefits
are those that work in the union GM/Toyota plant in California.

How long do you think American workers, in low wage plants like those of
Toyota and Honda, will sit back and watch all of those profit going to
Japan tax tree? There is a movement afoot, as we speak, among Honda
workers in Ohio to unionize.

mike hunt


Is there some new news on this? The Unions have tried to organize Honda's
Ohio plants for many years and the past efforts all went down in flames.

Such as in 1999:
http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/st...13/story7.html

Do you have any more recent information showing that something is
different now?

John



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