Re: GM's return policy may not be worth the hassle

#11

"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message

If it works for you, DO IT

What sort of the population are you talking about though? Seems like a
decent deal to me. If you buy the car, and don't like it, take it back.

It isnt that simple, and you KNOW it.

We have already gone through all the "cons" about the offer. None seem
out of the ordinary.

This offer appeals to the people who are least likely to be able to
afford
a decent car. Entice them in, and to hell with them if they didnt read
the
fine print.

This makes no sense. Are you saying people who can't afford a decent car
are stupid?

Stupid is a harsh word. There is no cure for stupid.. There is a cure for
ignorant.

People who are ignorant, and poor or of modest income, and who want
to get what appears to be something for nothing might be enticed. And if
they get tangled in the system, who really cares?

I wouldnt take a 60 trial ownership of any car. It makes no sense.

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"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message

If it works for you, DO IT

What sort of the population are you talking about though? Seems like a
decent deal to me. If you buy the car, and don't like it, take it
back.

It isnt that simple, and you KNOW it.

We have already gone through all the "cons" about the offer. None seem
out of the ordinary.

This offer appeals to the people who are least likely to be able to
afford
a decent car. Entice them in, and to hell with them if they didnt read
the
fine print.

This makes no sense. Are you saying people who can't afford a decent car
are stupid?

Stupid is a harsh word. There is no cure for stupid.. There is a cure for
ignorant.

People who are ignorant, and poor or of modest income, and who want
to get what appears to be something for nothing might be enticed. And if
they get tangled in the system, who really cares?

I wouldnt take a 60 trial ownership of any car. It makes no sense.

You have to qualify for the purchase, Pay full amount, or finance with
applicable down
payment, all taxes, title fees. etc. under todays financing rules that means
a good credit score etc.
if you return it you wont get your trade in back only the amount paid so
your trade in amount would have been below resale amout you could have got
selling it to a private person etc. So if you are just trying it out for a
test then return it its going to cost you. I dont think that people who
cant afford a car will be buying and returning/

#13

"Tom" <tc (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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You have to qualify for the purchase, Pay full amount, or finance with
applicable down
payment, all taxes, title fees. etc. under todays financing rules that
means a good credit score etc.
if you return it you wont get your trade in back only the amount paid so
your trade in amount would have been below resale amout you could have got
selling it to a private person etc. So if you are just trying it out for a
test then return it its going to cost you. I dont think that people who
cant afford a car will be buying and returning/

I agree, they probably will not buy and return. That is what makes this
plan
look ridiculous to me.

Dealerships have, in the past, played some real games with people's credit,
however. My ex-brother in law worked at a Cadillac dealership in one of
the three largest towns in Texas. I know some of the stunts he pulled to
get
people into cars they probably couldnt afford. And, they thought it was
good
fun to take these people's used cars for nothing and sell them the new car
for full
price. Smoke and mirrors, plus people who are salivating to have a new
car.

There was one cultural subsegment that they targeted in particular. You can
probably guess.

#14

"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message

If it works for you, DO IT

What sort of the population are you talking about though? Seems like a
decent deal to me. If you buy the car, and don't like it, take it
back.

It isnt that simple, and you KNOW it.

We have already gone through all the "cons" about the offer. None seem
out of the ordinary.

This offer appeals to the people who are least likely to be able to
afford
a decent car. Entice them in, and to hell with them if they didnt read
the
fine print.

This makes no sense. Are you saying people who can't afford a decent car
are stupid?

Stupid is a harsh word. There is no cure for stupid.. There is a cure for
ignorant.

People who are ignorant, and poor or of modest income, and who want
to get what appears to be something for nothing might be enticed. And if
they get tangled in the system, who really cares?

I wouldnt take a 60 trial ownership of any car. It makes no sense.

Huh? How is anyone getting something for nothing? GM isn't giving you a
car for free to try for 60 days. You have to pay for it up front, and if
you don't like it, and return it, then and only then do you get your money
back. Do you avoid Wal-Mart and other department stores because they have a
"trial ownership" too?

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"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

avoid Wal-Mart and other department stores because they have a

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"trial ownership" too?

\Knight, I like you, but I think you have fallen out of a tree.

I dont avoid GM because they offer this stupid program. It is just, IMO,
a stupid promotion...

I dont know that I have ever bought anything that carried a trial ownership,
and the thought of it just doesnt appeal to me. I make my decisions,
usually
based on research, reports, owners....then I buy....or not.

I just think trial ownership is stupid...a waste of time.

#16

"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

avoid Wal-Mart and other department stores because they have a
"trial ownership" too?

\Knight, I like you, but I think you have fallen out of a tree.

I dont avoid GM because they offer this stupid program. It is just, IMO,
a stupid promotion...

HLS, I wasn't saying you avoid GM because of this program. I know why you
avoid GM, and your reasons are valid IMHO. What I was saying is department
stores, electronics stores, etc. have been offering a money back guarantee
(what you call a 'trial ownership') for decades.

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I dont know that I have ever bought anything that carried a trial
ownership,
and the thought of it just doesnt appeal to me. I make my decisions,
usually based on research, reports, owners....then I buy....or not.

I just think trial ownership is stupid...a waste of time.

Of course doing research on something you wish to purchase, and talking to
existing owners is a good idea. All I am saying is it doesn't matter how
much someone else likes it, or how good the reviews are, you may love it
when you test drive it, and the day you get it home, but after you drive it
for a couple of days, you may start to hate the way it feels, steers, the
way the stereo sounds, or anything else. If that is the case, GM is giving
you the opportunity to return the car. I don't see that as trying to cheat
poor people. I think it's a damned good idea.

#17

"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message

All I am saying is it doesn't matter how

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much someone else likes it, or how good the reviews are, you may love it
when you test drive it, and the day you get it home, but after you drive
it for a couple of days, you may start to hate the way it feels, steers,
the way the stereo sounds, or anything else.

There is some basis for this. You may know, I had my eyes on a new Porsche
recently. Did the research, and everything looked pretty good.

But when I took a test drive, I knew then that I did not like this car and
would
not be buying it. Things like that, you only know after a test drive. And
if you
want to consider this program a "long test drive", sobeit.

Not for me, but let's see how it plays out for GM>

#18

Where do you get the goofy idea GM looses money when the sell a vehicle?

"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote

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The Devil is indeed in the details.

You fell in love with that $22,000 Chevy Malibu because of its color,
style and price.

Let me ask this...$22,000 is a pretty cheap price. GM has been losing a
fortune,
and continues to bleed.

How do they continue to sell cheap products like this, even though they
are
losing
money, without being called for "dumping".

I think we all know that it IS, in effect, dumping, but where does the
legal
aspect cave in?

#19

You are arguing with people in the NG that most likely never owned a NEW
car. Why piss away your time on the used car buyers that populate the NGs?

"Tom" <tc (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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"hls" <hls (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message

If it works for you, DO IT

What sort of the population are you talking about though? Seems like
a decent deal to me. If you buy the car, and don't like it, take it
back.

It isnt that simple, and you KNOW it.

We have already gone through all the "cons" about the offer. None seem
out of the ordinary.

This offer appeals to the people who are least likely to be able to
afford
a decent car. Entice them in, and to hell with them if they didnt read
the
fine print.

This makes no sense. Are you saying people who can't afford a decent
car are stupid?

Stupid is a harsh word. There is no cure for stupid.. There is a cure
for
ignorant.

People who are ignorant, and poor or of modest income, and who want
to get what appears to be something for nothing might be enticed. And
if
they get tangled in the system, who really cares?

I wouldnt take a 60 trial ownership of any car. It makes no sense.

You have to qualify for the purchase, Pay full amount, or finance with
applicable down
payment, all taxes, title fees. etc. under todays financing rules that
means a good credit score etc.
if you return it you wont get your trade in back only the amount paid so
your trade in amount would have been below resale amout you could have got
selling it to a private person etc. So if you are just trying it out for a
test then return it its going to cost you. I dont think that people who
cant afford a car will be buying and returning/

#20

"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message

All I am saying is it doesn't matter how

Quote:

much someone else likes it, or how good the reviews are, you may love it
when you test drive it, and the day you get it home, but after you drive
it for a couple of days, you may start to hate the way it feels, steers,
the way the stereo sounds, or anything else. If that is the case, GM is
giving you the opportunity to return the car.

What really impresses me, aside from the ride, economy, and design appeal,
of any automobile is a good warranty. If a company is proud and
sure enough of its product to give a really strong warranty, that means a
lot...
perhaps more than anything else, once the deal is done.

There is some little bit of protection with the lemon law. If you really
get a
bad one (and this happens from time to time), this can slap the manufacturer
on the head and get you a good car.