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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair?
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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair? -
05-15-2007
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Really? Would you pay more for a smaller diamond, just because of the name of the store? |
Cartier diamonds are laser zapped and patched with plastic.
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So why doesn't the Malibu outsell the Camry? |
so hard to say anything particular. However, the question is just as
nebulous as asking why more people go to Wal*Mart than Target, or why
McDonalds sells more BigMacs than Burger King sells Whoppers, or why
more people buy Diet Pepsi than Diet Coke. Best I can say is that
there are lots of factors, not all of them rational. If people were
rational, there wouldn't be any Cadillacs, Lincolns, Lexi, or Acuras.
If people were rational, the F150 would not be the top selling vehicle
in the US. If people were rational, Expeditions, Suburbans, Tahoes,
Sequoias, etc would be extinct.
It seems to me that Chevy has at least two models that compete
directly with the Camry - the Impala and the new Malibu (and for good
measure you can through in the Monte Carlo which can be considered a
Camry Solaria competitor and the Malibu Maxx). Plus GM has several
other models (Pontiacs and Buicks) that also play in that market. If
you add up all the GM competitors to the Camry, I suspect they outsell
the Camry. And don't forget, for marketing reasons, Toyota lumps
Camry, Solaria, and Camry Hybrid sales all under the Camry banner.
Toyota puts great stock in claiming Camry is the number one selling
nameplate. If GM was dedicated to doing the same, they could probably
jury rig the names of vehicles to create the illusion of having a
higher selling model (Maybe the Impala Malibu...).
Ed
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Mike Hunter wrote to ViperKiller: Really? Would you pay more for a smaller diamond, just because of the name of the store? What if the stores are Cartier and JC Penny? It's unlikely that any Cartier diamonds are laser zapped and patched with plastic. |
JC Penny and put in a Cartier box, would your SO be any the wiser? In
ten years would the JC Penny diamond be less cherished?
Diamonds are a strange item to compare - they are not purchased for
rational reasons, and the market is not truly competitive. There is no
shortage of diamonds in the world, the price is artificially
manipulated by DeBeers.
Ed
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Mike Hunter wrote: "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179196300.092767.86350 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com... Ed White wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers instead of themselves. That may be your opinion but the fact is more American buyers choose to buy the vehicles sold by GM and Ford than ANY import brand, however. So why doesn't the Malibu outsell the Camry? |
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Mike Hunter wrote to ViperKiller: Really? Would you pay more for a smaller diamond, just because of the name of the store? What if the stores are Cartier and JC Penny? It's unlikely that any Cartier diamonds are laser zapped and patched with plastic. |
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"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179244239.550224.260980 (AT) q75g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... So why doesn't the Malibu outsell the Camry? The Malibu Chevy wants to compare the Camry against is a new model - so hard to say anything particular. However, the question is just as nebulous as asking why more people go to Wal*Mart than Target, or why McDonalds sells more BigMacs than Burger King sells Whoppers, or why more people buy Diet Pepsi than Diet Coke. Best I can say is that there are lots of factors, not all of them rational. If people were rational, there wouldn't be any Cadillacs, Lincolns, Lexi, or Acuras. If people were rational, the F150 would not be the top selling vehicle in the US. If people were rational, Expeditions, Suburbans, Tahoes, Sequoias, etc would be extinct. It seems to me that Chevy has at least two models that compete directly with the Camry - the Impala and the new Malibu (and for good measure you can through in the Monte Carlo which can be considered a Camry Solaria competitor and the Malibu Maxx). Plus GM has several other models (Pontiacs and Buicks) that also play in that market. If you add up all the GM competitors to the Camry, I suspect they outsell the Camry. And don't forget, for marketing reasons, Toyota lumps Camry, Solaria, and Camry Hybrid sales all under the Camry banner. Toyota puts great stock in claiming Camry is the number one selling nameplate. If GM was dedicated to doing the same, they could probably jury rig the names of vehicles to create the illusion of having a higher selling model (Maybe the Impala Malibu...). Ed |
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Mike Hunter wrote: "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179196300.092767.86350 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com... Ed White wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers instead of themselves. That may be your opinion but the fact is more American buyers choose to buy the vehicles sold by GM and Ford than ANY import brand, however. So why doesn't the Malibu outsell the Camry? |
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Mike Hunter wrote: "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179244876.025904.150960 (AT) n59g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... If all the Chevy dealers buy a Camty, Camry is sure to stay the #1 nameplate this year.... I'm sure that there are a lot fewer than 10,000 Chevy dealers. So are you saying that when consumers walk into Chevy dealers and see the Malibu and Camry side by side, enough will choose the Camry to keep that model #1? Camry is loosing sales all on its own. The highest year for Camry sales was 2004 What were the highest years for GM and Ford sales? |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message Using that theory in the US, Fords must be by far the best cars since a large percentage of US taxi's are Ford Crown Victorias, and another large percentage are Mercury Grand Marquis, and a bunch are Lincoln Town Cars. Actually Crown Vistorias must be nearly indestructible. The local cab companies (Raleigh NC) buy lots of used Highway Patrol Cars which have around 75,000 to 100,000 miles, repaint them, and drive them for many many more miles. I'm talking about smaller fleets of 20 to 30 cars where each cab/taxi is owned by an individual who drives it along with employed drivers,.not a single company operating a fleet driven by drivers. Jason |
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On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote: The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat adjusters, bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel injection system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts (noe that the dealer could fix) . My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat track (dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system failures. Big difference After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs. I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned, the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles. Ed |
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking
their market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.
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