Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair?

#21

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.

I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking their
market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.

It's funny too that there are more GM's on the road then there will ever be
Toyota's. But, enjoy your's Jim. Stupid people should drive stupid cars.

#22

What do you mean by 'decided against?' GM and Ford sell far move vehicles
in the US than does Toyota or Honda. It's true both have a smaller share of
the market today than in the past. However the market today is much larger
than when GM had nearly 50% of the market and the total number of vehicles
they sell today if far greater than when they sold 50% of the market as
well. In the late seventies the market was around 8,000,000 now it is
more than twice that.

Every manufacturer makes some that are not up to snuff, on occasion, at
around 2%. That is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. Now
that Toyota is running with the big boys and selling in the millions, rather
than in the hundreds of thousands, more of their bad ones are starting to
show up in the marketplace. Toyota was number one in recalls in 2006 and so
far in 2007

mike

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.

I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking their
market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.

#23

80 Knight wrote:

Quote:

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:134pkqip9e4f364 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.
I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking their
market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.

It's funny too that there are more GM's on the road then there will ever be
Toyota's. But, enjoy your's Jim. Stupid people should drive stupid cars.

I'll remember that while I drive my Prizm (Corolla) after Ford and
Chrysler depart the scene and GM is in 3rd or 5th place.

#24

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

80 Knight wrote:
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:134pkqip9e4f364 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel
injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.
I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking
their market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.

It's funny too that there are more GM's on the road then there will ever
be Toyota's. But, enjoy your's Jim. Stupid people should drive stupid
cars.

I'll remember that while I drive my Prizm (Corolla) after Ford and
Chrysler depart the scene and GM is in 3rd or 5th place.

You are assuming GM will not regain it's place as #1. Quite a large
assumption for such a small person. GM still out-sells Toyota, and I doubt
that will ever change.

#25

80 Knight wrote:

Quote:

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:134pog7ej0c9760 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
80 Knight wrote:
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:134pkqip9e4f364 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel
injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.
I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking
their market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.
It's funny too that there are more GM's on the road then there will ever
be Toyota's. But, enjoy your's Jim. Stupid people should drive stupid
cars.
I'll remember that while I drive my Prizm (Corolla) after Ford and
Chrysler depart the scene and GM is in 3rd or 5th place.

You are assuming GM will not regain it's place as #1. Quite a large
assumption for such a small person. GM still out-sells Toyota, and I doubt
that will ever change.

Wait. If the UAW is dumb enough to strike...

#26

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Ed White wrote:
On May 16, 6:56 pm, "Roadrunner NG" <R... (AT) highlandcraft (DOT) com> wrote:
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat
adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel
injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts
(noe
that the dealer could fix) .

My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat
track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system
failures.
Big difference

After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.

I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.

Ed

Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking
their market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.

Pendulums swing a little slowly Jim. Toyota is already seeing the results
of some of their more recent decisions. Quality is falling off as they
discover that achieving the marketshare that GM enjoys is much different
than what they knew during the climb up. Their own inability to deliver at
those levels is now coming to light. I wouldn't get too excited about
Toyota's recent success. They've climbed a hill on the backs of companies
that have suffered other problems stemming back decades, and they've not
stormed that marketplace in spite of the favored odds that they've enjoyed.
Toyota has a long way to go to match the success of GM and Ford. Right now
their success is just a blip on the radar. The American consumer has far
from decided against the Big Three. One only needs to wait a short time to
see the reaction of that consumer to Toyota's failings at delivering quality
with growth. The decline of the famed Toyota quality (in some people's
minds), has already begun.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#27

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

What do you mean by 'decided against?' GM and Ford sell far move vehicles
in the US than does Toyota or Honda. It's true both have a smaller share
of
the market today than in the past. However the market today is much
larger
than when GM had nearly 50% of the market and the total number of vehicles
they sell today if far greater than when they sold 50% of the market as
well. In the late seventies the market was around 8,000,000 now it is
more than twice that.

Every manufacturer makes some that are not up to snuff, on occasion, at
around 2%. That is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. Now
that Toyota is running with the big boys and selling in the millions,
rather
than in the hundreds of thousands, more of their bad ones are starting to
show up in the marketplace. Toyota was number one in recalls in 2006 and
so
far in 2007

Jim does not want to acknowledge Toyota's quality issues as he tools around
in his Prizm, Mike.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

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