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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair?
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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair? -
05-14-2007
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Autoblog http://snipurl.com/1kkoi ..some Chevy dealers have grown a pair and are trying a radical move. They're bringing enemy No. 1 right into their showrooms. Chevrolet is confident enough in its forthcoming Malibu redesign http://snipurl.com/1kkou that they're willing to have customers paw all over their mid-size offering and Toyota's Camry http://doiop.com/Camry side by side. Instead of just telling potential Malibu customers that Camry ain't all that [great], Chevy's car marketing director, Cheryl Catton, suggests dealers put one of the best- selling Toyotas right there next to Malibus. Production of the new Malibus begins in October, and GM's ad push for the car begins in January. Look for the Malibu/Camry steel cage death match to begin about then. But wouldn't it be a small sales boost to put a Camry in every Chevy dealership? Catton thought of that, and recommends the Toyotas be rented. [Source: Automotive News http://www.autonews.com/ - Sub. Req.] |
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That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. |
a) The Camry is a better car.
b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior.
c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant.
If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a
malady common among executives of loser corporations.
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Mike Hunter wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. |
think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive.
Here some equally twisted logic for you -
Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE
rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted.
Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low
profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small
noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the
people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars.
They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and
Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent
domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they
convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They
preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often,
they convert others to their faith.
Makes as much sense as your quiz....
Ed
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That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car. They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers  |
cheaper but equal or better than the Camry. In a post tonight you stated:
"The price of their vehicles will go up since the vehicles sold by the
Japanese auto manufactures, who already enjoy those competitive advantages,
sell for 20% to 30% more than domestics
"This is a good opportunity for GM to show then can sell an equivalent car
for far less.
Have you seen the recent Hyundai ads showing the comparison of the Sonata
vs. BMW and the Azera vs. Lexus and the SantaFe vs. Land Rover? Now it will
be Malibu vs. Camry. Good for them.
I did a similar comparison. I was looking at Buick Lucerne but found the
same features in a Sonata for $5000 less. To get stability control, I'd
have to move up in the Lucerne another $5000.
I do like the style of the new Malibu. Far better than the ugly front end
of the Camry.
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On May 14, 4:30 pm, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu... (AT) my-deja (DOT) com wrote: Mike Hunter wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. Apply the same logic to Big Macs, Wal*Mart, Budwiser, etc. If you think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive. Here some equally twisted logic for you - Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted. Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars. They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often, they convert others to their faith. Makes as much sense as your quiz.... |
now they buy them for quality and reliability, and not only are car
buyers less brand loyal than they used to be, but buyers of Japanese
ares tend to be the least brand loyal of them all.
My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers
instead of themselves.
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That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car. They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers I was at an auto show where there was a mid size FWD V6 Lexus sitting near a loaded RWD V8 Grand Marquis. People were all over the Mercury that has an MSRP over $12.000 less than the smaller Lexus mike People don't make decisions merely on size. Well, I suppose you do. |
gauge to use than quantity in certain cases. A lump of coal is
worthless compared to an intermerate diamond though both are purely
made of carbon.
The typical car buyer has other features and considerations than just
singularly thinking of sheer mass.
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3dSdnZuHo-qRJ9XbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car. They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers Why not fair? IMO, it is better than fair if you can show the Malibu is cheaper but equal or better than the Camry. In a post tonight you stated: "The price of their vehicles will go up since the vehicles sold by the Japanese auto manufactures, who already enjoy those competitive advantages, sell for 20% to 30% more than domestics "This is a good opportunity for GM to show then can sell an equivalent car for far less. Have you seen the recent Hyundai ads showing the comparison of the Sonata vs. BMW and the Azera vs. Lexus and the SantaFe vs. Land Rover? Now it will be Malibu vs. Camry. Good for them. I did a similar comparison. I was looking at Buick Lucerne but found the same features in a Sonata for $5000 less. To get stability control, I'd have to move up in the Lucerne another $5000. I do like the style of the new Malibu. Far better than the ugly front end of the Camry. |
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Ed White wrote: On May 14, 4:30 pm, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu... (AT) my-deja (DOT) com wrote: Mike Hunter wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. Apply the same logic to Big Macs, Wal*Mart, Budwiser, etc. If you think Consuners purchase cars for rational reasons, you are naive. Here some equally twisted logic for you - Many buyer of old style large American cars were forced by stupid CAFE rules to buy trucks and SUVs to get the type of vehicle they wanted. Ford and GM concentrated on these and surrendered the low end, low profit market to the Japanese. Meanwhile people who didn't mind small noisy rattle boxes bought Toyotas and Hondas. As they grew older, the people who bought small Japanese cars wanted larger, more comfy cars. They only knew Toyotas and Hondas, so they buy larger Toyotas and Hondas. They realize they are paying thousand more than for equivalent domestic vehciels, so in order to keep from feeling like smucks, they convince themselves that they are getting much better cars. They preach this faith like Billy Swaggart. They repeat the story so often, they convert others to their faith. Makes as much sense as your quiz.... I wish it did, but people used to buy Japanese cars for economy, while now they buy them for quality and reliability, and not only are car buyers less brand loyal than they used to be, but buyers of Japanese ares tend to be the least brand loyal of them all. My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers instead of themselves. |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:19 -0400, "Mike Hunter" mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. Chevy should compare cars that sell around the same price. The FULL SIZE Impala is the one that sells for around the same price as the V6 Camry, with the same equipment, but the Camry is only a mid size car. They should also post the actual total delivered price, of the Camry they bought for the comparison, and really educate the potential buyers I was at an auto show where there was a mid size FWD V6 Lexus sitting near a loaded RWD V8 Grand Marquis. People were all over the Mercury that has an MSRP over $12.000 less than the smaller Lexus mike People don't make decisions merely on size. Well, I suppose you do. However, people with more common sense know that quality is a better gauge to use than quantity in certain cases. A lump of coal is worthless compared to an intermerate diamond though both are purely made of carbon. The typical car buyer has other features and considerations than just singularly thinking of sheer mass. |
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"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179196300.092767.86350 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com... Ed White wrote: That can not be a fair comparison. The Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper. So how do you explain the Camry outselling the Malibu? a) The Camry is a better car. b) The Malibu's reliability is inferior. c) Consumers are stupid or ignorant. If you answered c), then you suffer from GM/Ford/Chrysler syndrome, a malady common among executives of loser corporations. My point is that executives at bad companies blame the consumers instead of themselves. That may be your opinion but the fact is more American buyers choose to buy the vehicles sold by GM and Ford than ANY import brand, however. |
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