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Re: Toyota blames costs, not UAW, for NUMMI pullout
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Re: Toyota blames costs, not UAW, for NUMMI pullout -
09-07-2009
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"Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66 (AT) g6g2000vbr (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu... (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are smarter than Mike. Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been shrinking each year since 2006. Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. Jeff ================================================= Be serious Jeff. *Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other auto maker in the USA. *GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago.. As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? |
Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling
year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with
as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars
per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962
Jeff
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As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? |
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"Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66 (AT) g6g2000vbr (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu... (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are smarter than Mike. Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been shrinking each year since 2006. Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. Jeff ================================================= Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago. As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? |
Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling
year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with
as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars
per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962
Jeff
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GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, that is
my point.
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"Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82 (AT) z34g2000vbl (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote: "Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66 (AT) g6g2000vbr (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu... (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are smarter than Mike. Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been shrinking each year since 2006. Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. Jeff ================================================= Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago. As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God. Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962 Jeff ============================================= GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, thatis my point. |
share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago."
GM sold fewer cars last year than any other year since before man has
been going into space. I was pointing out that GM is selling fewer
cars, despite the larger total size of the market.
Jeff
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"Ed Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:9ZydnVQ3utj7Qj_XnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message There are more '65 Chevy and Fords there than '65 Datsuns, even as a percentage of sales in that years. Older Toyota bodes never lasted that long in spite of the drivetrain running about forever. What percentage of show cars have 100% original bodywork? In other words, what percentage have had no body work done at all? That's impossible to know. In that case, Ed P's comment about "bodes" is meaningless, unless he has data about original body work. There might be rules about that in certain car shows. I don't know. I'll wait for his response rather than guess. You'd have to clarify the category. There are shows specific to certain makes, certain year ranges, and original versus custom. In a custom category original body makes no difference. I don't know the rules of restorations. I do know that if a car is 100% original, it is valued far more than a better looking car that has a lot of replacements. My brother won quite a few shows with a Model A that was 100% original (except for tires) and had the bill of sale and bills from service in the 1920's. He sold it because once you show it, not much else to do with it aside from prevent deterioration. His Mustangs had replacement parts as needed, but his Pony convertible was all original. It was so pristine, Ford bought it back from him. Getting back on point, one reason you don't find older Japanese cars in shows is because no one really wanted to bother keeping them. They had bland style, bland performance, needed a lot of body upkeep, little appeal to a collector. A 240Z was bland? :-) |
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