Perfect for a gigantic class action lawsuit to finish off this wantonly
negligent water closet manufacturer masquerading as a motor car company.

Every complaint has merit:

Running the tank low on gas. The pump must be certified to drain every
last drop of usable fuel fail-safely. Mandatory!!!!! Otherwise, perhaps
GM should advertise their cars are only good for 1/2 tank or about 150
miles between fill-ups and you just have to drag along a half tank as
ballast all the time. That'll go over like a fart in a space suit.

Fuel filter clogging. Sure, that will overload the pump and cause it to
heat up and char. Blame that on a upstream filter with no bypass valve, no
differential pressure sensing valve, and no warning indicator circuit to
the "check engine" warning light. Would have cost GM at least $5 extra to
put all that in your Caddy. So how far did $5 get YOU on those tow bills.

Cheap construction. Those fucking Hecho en Mexico pumps are plastic!
Plastic pumps on those $40,000 cars! Enough said.

Knowing those pumps fail regularly and when they do your wife and kids are
stuck (hopefully not in the high speed lane of the Hollywood Freeway, but
they could be), they why didn't GM install TWIN PUMPS with the associated
plumbing and valving so WHEN one pump gives up the ghost, the OTHER pump
feeds the engine and a WARNING LIGHT tells you to get your GM jalopy
serviced?

And, GM, quit sticking those pumps inside the tank when everybody and
everybody's uncle knows an external pump works just fine and costs about
$400 less to replace. GM worries about every one of their nickels but
doesn't give a rat's ass about your 400 bucks.

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody (AT) dizum (DOT) com> wrote

Ahhh......another display of ignorance from our pet troll.

Wow, I'm sensing a lot of hostility here from the troll. He may be
on-topic, but leaves a lot to be desired in the "facts" department. Pity.

"Nomen Nescio" <nobody (AT) dizum (DOT) com> wrote

I had the same problem on my minivan. Feul pump died on the highway with my
3 kids and wife in the car. The only difference here was that GM fix the
pump under warranty, but I agree with the OP (original poster). GM should
put in a better pump. Also, this is the reason I'm not buying GM anymore.


"Jonathan" <Fire_Capt651 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

My son's caravan went thru 3 in a period of 6 months, before he dumped it.
First was a rebuilt, including the new sock, 2nd was 'new'. fuel filters
changed each time, tank was clean. ??

"t" <vidyang (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Greetings,

Please don't believe that this is just a GM issue. Other domestic and
foreign brands have no better reliability on similarly priced parts like
this than does GM, and it's not a matter of a better pump only being a few
dollars more. If you are in a vehicle that retails for $25,000 and you
redesigned every part you believed should be, then it's no longer a $25,000
car anymore. From the outside (and also based on how long the average owner
keeps their vehicle) nothing has really changed except that it costs more.
$25k may still be a lot of money to many of us, but when given the choice
more folks obviously buy the $25K car than the $50k car or the $75k car and
if you want them to keep buying these cars you don't sink more money into it
than you can recoup on it's selling price, especially with all of the
non-vehicle expenses attached to each vehicle sold these days.

Cheers - Jonathan

"t" <vidyang (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Jonathan,

I understand your point whole-heartedly, but, this is a known issue,
shouldn't someone at GM say to the part maker "hey bud, my customers are
stuck on highways, make it better!". I don't believe GM is making this
effort. I know Honda does. And this is what I hate most, why can't GM be
better than Honda or toyota?

Known issues should be corrected with an apology.



"Jonathan" <Fire_Capt651 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

t wrote:

My dad was involved with the prototype sales for that pump motor in the
early 80's for a company he represented. (GM does not make the motor) I
remember him telling me about the GM specs for it. It was to be
brushless in design and to be cooled and lubed by the fuel in the tank
and a motor was designed to fit that application. Run it low on fuel and
take away the cooling and lube and it will fail prematurely. I have one
in a GM burb that is 17 years old and still going strong.

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TheSnoMan wrote:

It sure make one wonder why. Why would you want an electric fuel pump
to be inside the tank and to run bathed in fuel.

One problem with those pumps is that because of their location the
replacement labor is very expensive. With a traditional external fuel
pump the replacement labor is under 1/2 hour in most cases.

Another problem with putting the pump inside the tank is that the
pre-pump filter also has to be buried inside the tank. Put the pump and
the pre-filter outside and a person has a fighting chance of cleaning a
fouled pre-filter before it burns out the pump.

John

We have a non-gm car in the family. To change the fuel pump / filter
assembly, one removes the cushion for the rear seat. 4 bolts, and an
access cover comes off. 4 more bolts, one wiring connector, two fuel
lines, the whole thing is out in your hands. Tops, including clean up,
3 trips to the tool box, etc, is 45 minutes to change this out. No
tank-drain or dropping required. The only precaution is to do it
OUTSIDE, well ventilated, and disconnect the battery negative lead
while doing the work.

Now why can't GM figure this out and provide an access "hatch" in the
body work like this?