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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-20-2007
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And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. This is Toyota country. On a quiet night you can hear a GM rust. |
than yours and the use of road salt is far more than what you experience in
the mid-states. Rust in GM's was an issue back in the late 70's and early
80's, but that was an issue for everyone. Honda had notorious rust
problems. Toyota certainly had very severe rust problems. GM was one of
the first to come up with galvanized bodies and cars that held together in
good shape for the kind of mileage we're talking about. The block you live
on may well be Toyota country, but at least have the intellectual honesty to
argue facts, and not cliché's. Though... clichés do make a point better
when it comes to personal preferences, don't they.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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| There was one in NH, I think it was. When you were on the correct path it read: ITAWT--ITAWA--PUDDY--TAT---IDEED |
doesn't have a sense of humor? <G> The FAA assigns locally made up
five letter identifiers to these points in space in between actual
radio NAVAIDs.
For instance, there's no actual Woonsocket NAVAID, but there's the
WOONS intersection formed by signals from a few other NAVAIDS..
Put on your best Cliff Claven accent and think of these significant
points on the GPS approach to Rwy 32 @ Boston/Logan:
DRUNK -> HAVRD -> YAARD -> BGDIG -> PAARK
Other NE notables:
BOSOX
THUMB
SALTT
PEPAR
GROGG
HOPTU
DEEPO (Offshore, past Nantucket)
CLAMY (near the RI / MA shore)
LOBBY (which also has a published hold, so you wait in the lobby)
WACKY
SNIVL
LURCH
BRISS
WITCH & WAXEN (near Salem)
DARTH
VADER
The first intersection west of the Kennebunk ME VOR is SATAN. <G>
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Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. I had signs of rust starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you do. Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2. I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow, ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it. |
as experience, you simply want to run on with your diareaha. Not a single
thing you state above has any meaning or relevance to this discussion.
Maybe you should just go fondle your Corolla for the night, since you
clearly have no interest in any honest discourse.
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I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. |
fool.
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Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. |
blindly talking out of your ass. You'll see GM's of all sorts from the
90's, in every bit the same shape as your beloved Toyotas.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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Now just stop your continous lying, there was no such thing as a 396 SS Chevelle 4 door. The 396 Chevelle SS came only as a 2 door coupe. Your lies and comments leave you know credibility at all. |
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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| Nope - I'd love to drive an American car again. I really would like to see them rebound. |
I would have loved to save money and purchased a Ranger, S-10, or
Colorado over my current and previous Tacomas and "Pickups".
Unfortunately, there's a satisfaction and quality gap much wider than
the price difference. My current '05 Tacoma is as close to a perfect
vehicle as I've ever had. The sad part is that I never even
considered a Dakota 'till after the fact, because I forgot they even
existed! I checked one out, and I didn't miss anything.
I still own a Wrangler Sport (which is actually total crap,
quality-wise), because there is nothing else like the only "real"
Jeep. One of the most important saving graces for the Wrangler is the
huge aftermarket. As parts fall off, you can get much better, cheaper
aftermarket replacements. Don't get me going on the 4 door new
version... Power locks and windows, on a JEEP? = 8^(
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OTOH, my run with Toyota has been: 1972 Carina 154,037 miles (sold) 1977 Corolla 207,000 miles (scrapped) 1979 KE30 (1501) Corolla 106,000 miles (sold) 1980 Corolla liftback (green) 75,000 miles (accident) 1980 Corolla liftback (red) 202,000 miles (sold) 1981 Corolla liftback 105,000 miles (sold) 1982 Corolla coupe 213,000 miles (sold) 1993 Corolla DX 238,000 miles (sold) 1994 Corolla LX 150,000 (Still running) 1995 Corolla LX 140,000 (Still running) 1995 Coroall plain 104,000 (just bought) 1995 Previa 156,000 miles (still running) |
those cars since you show too much mileage in any one year for you to
amassed it. So - you've been replacing those Toyotas every year or two, and
they've been "great cars"? You should switch to GM and discover what it's
like to own a vehicle for 10 years of faithful service.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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leased her last Grand Am, before she bought the one she has now. They offered us an electronic rust protection module, for around $300 (if memory serves), which we declined at the time, thinking it was brand new technology, which was unproven, and made no sense (at least, according to the not-so-informed salesperson). Then, last year, our Canadian Tire (equivalent to USA's AutoZone, from what I hear) starts selling them at $199 like hot-cakes. Had any experience with these? |
protection'
which is the same principle applied to industrial structures, tanks, etc.
The technology
works only where there is uniform contact with the electrolyte involved...
Just being
wet doesnt mean the surface will be exposed to the protective current.
IMO, they have a basis in truth, but I dont believe they would be effective
in many
places that are susceptible to corrosion.
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"Wickeddoll" ... | | > "Hachiroku ????" | > | > | >> "BoobooBear"... | > | >> | | > | >> | "Mike Marlow"... | > | >> | | > | >> | > <HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix>... | > | >> | | > | >> | >> "George Orwell" | > | >> | >> in message | > | >> | >> > Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and | > | >> benefits | > | >> | >> > from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United | > | >> States, | > | >> | >> > this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> | >> Blah, blah, blah... | > | >> | >> Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay | > | >> | >> higher | > | >> | > prices | > | >> | >> for it. | > | >> | >> They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and | > stand | > | >> behind | > | >> | > it. | > | >> | | > | >> | >> GM lost the war. | > | >> | | > | >> | > GM is losing the battle, but the war will never be over. Like | > | >> everything | > | >> | > else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs | > | >> forever. | > | >> | | > | >> | > -- | > | >> | | > | >> | > -Mike- | > | >> | > mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> | GM is currently planning some B-17 sorties to bomb the Toyota | > | >> | facturies | > | >> in | > | >> | japan this summer. | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> Bombing the Japanese didn't stop us from buying their cars. | > | | > | > The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. | | > If you mean me, 80, you're way off. You may remember, I'm a proud Air | > Force | > veteran, and I remember Pearl Harbor very well, thank you. Nice to see | > you | > again, BTW. | | My apologies Natalie. I was not speaking of you, as I have known you too | long to think like that. I had read too many post's yesterday (as well as | articles on the NET), and my cage got rattled. As you may remember, I live | right beside Oshawa, Ontario, where GM's #1 (according to JD Power) plant | is. It really pains me to see people posting how they want GM (or any auto | manufacture for that matter) to go belly up, as I know for a fact what it | would do to my town, and the surrounding ones. Most of my family either | works, or has worked for GM in some capacity. If GM were to close up shop | here, this place would be a ghost town. Do I have a problem with people | thinking Toyota, Honda, ect, is #1? Of course not, but cheering and pleading | for GM to go belly up so they can stay #1, or just because someone once had | a 1970 Chevy that rusted, is pretty selfish, IMHO. But, as I said, nothing | was intended towards you, and you have my apologies if I made it seem like | it was. Okies! How are ya? I'm doing alright these days, thanks for asking.  How have you beendoing? Pretty good. The kids are really different from our old NG days. Craig |
I haven't been on the geek NGs in quite some time. The trolls took over,
and I lost interest in talking about the shows, so...
I just hang out on this NG and watch the car talk in-between the political
rhetoric LOL
Natalie
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 00:45:03 -0400, "Wickeddoll" wickeddoll1958DieSpammersDie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: | Nope - I'd love to drive an American car again. I really would like to see them rebound. SAAAAAAAAAME HERE! I would have loved to save money and purchased a Ranger, S-10, or Colorado over my current and previous Tacomas and "Pickups". Unfortunately, there's a satisfaction and quality gap much wider than the price difference. My current '05 Tacoma is as close to a perfect vehicle as I've ever had. The sad part is that I never even considered a Dakota 'till after the fact, because I forgot they even existed! I checked one out, and I didn't miss anything. |
Most people I know with them seem very happy with everything except gas
mileage. But I wouldn't rule out Toyotas either.
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I still own a Wrangler Sport (which is actually total crap, quality-wise), because there is nothing else like the only "real" Jeep. One of the most important saving graces for the Wrangler is the huge aftermarket. As parts fall off, you can get much better, cheaper aftermarket replacements. Don't get me going on the 4 door new version... Power locks and windows, on a JEEP? = 8^( |
I always liked the look of the old Jeep, and it's amazing how many of them
are still on the road.
Natalie
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