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Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass
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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-22-2007
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:15:13 +0000, PerfectReign wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:33:03 +0000, Hachiroku ???? rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled: On Sat, 19 May 2007 06:07:59 -0700, PerfectReign wrote: n5hsr wrote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. You put salt on roads??? WTF??? Where the hell are YOU?! Yes, we put salt on roads here! Why do you think they call it the Rust Belt?!  Tough on cars. Nothing seems to stand up well. I have to admit this is the one area where the Japanese cars kind of fall on their faces. If you don't keep up on it, they'll rust out from underneath you. I bought my Corolla GTS (the one with 259,000 miles) in 1986 from the Service Manager at a Toy dealer. I asked him about rustproofing and undercoating. He asked if I WANTED it to rust! It went the longest...17 years with NO signs of rusting. Of course, it got driven in the winter 3 years out of 20, and in the snow maybe 3 times. It is a HORRIBLE snow car. But decent in the rain and dry roads! GM cars are next, and then Fords. European cars are the best. It takes a LONG time or just real neglect to get a European car to rust. Much better steel then the Japs, and even the American cars. Okay, please explain why anyone would be stupid enough to put a corrosive substance like than on roads. Don't your tires melt? LOL! Not quite. We use salt to melt ice. Salt will melt ice down to quite a low temp. When it snows, and the plows go through, the road can get exquistely slippery after only a few cars traverse it. Ends up looking like an Ice Ballet. And lately the snow has been ending in freezing rain...even better! I love watching the fools in the SUVs driving the speed limits or higher in this kind of weather... and then passing them at my sure but steady 40MPH 5 mile up the road, with the SUV on its side in a ditch... And 'rinsing' it only has a worse effect unless you spend about $7 at the car wash and rinse it until the water runs perfectly clear. Otherwise, you're just making brine, which is REAL good for steel! I take my cars over the line into VT and have them sprayed with Hydraulic oil. Doesn't bother the rubber bits, and inhibits the rust greatly. I had a 20 YO Celica the original owner oiled every uear for 5 years, and it didn't start rusting until I got 4 years service from it. By the way - my '95 Jimmy had 150K miles in six years with only one issue (fuel injector) replaced under warranty. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Not sure what you mean. If you drive through salt-infested roads, I'd highly suggest you take the car/truck outside and hose it off when you get home. That just makes no sense! See above about rinsing... Thank you for the excellent explination. I had forgotten that I heard about people putting salt on roads to melt snow - something I've seen about five times in my life... http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/pi...s/dscf1855.jpg ...yet my Avalanche was almost buried in. There must have been two or three inches that day. In any case, I still figure people put chains on their tires when they drive. Living in Los Angeles, we don't get any snow. I remember my Dad putting chains on when I was a kid. He died when I was 8, and that was '65. Studs came out around then, and then All Season Radials came out in the 70's. Of course, common sense goes a LONG way to getting through, but people without it buy suvs... And STILL wind up on their sides in the ditch... |
use, since I moved to Arkansas in 1980. Twas the last car we had that came
with conventional tires. I had a friend that had an SUV and he offered to
let me drive it to go pick up someone in a snowstorm once. He couldn't
believe I was driving it so slow, but I could feel the tires losing grip and
knew I didn't dare drive faster. Do SUV drivers mostly fail their
inteligence test? I thought that was basic physics. You've got 4 little
patches of contact with the road. If your coefficient of friction with the
road isn't sufficient to control the vehicle, you end up in a ditch. As
Sean Connery said in the Untouchables, "Here endeth the lesson."
Charles of Schaumburg
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"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message What really pisses me off is that GM exces are going to demand pay decreases from workers, telling them they don't make enough money, and yet they just gave themselves huge bonus's. What did they do to deserve those millions? Not much, if you ask me. That will be a big point in negotiations also. At least Iacocca worked for a buck (plus expenses, I'm sure) until Chrysler got back on track. If nothing else, it looked good in the newspaper. GM should do that also, at least until the ink is dry on the new contract. I know my bonus, as well as the company owners, fluctuates with how well business is every year. Seems fair to me. During the lean times we all went with no increase for three years. During that time though, I got a check every month so no complaints from any of us. |
top seem to get big bonuses no matter what the company does. I thought part
of being an Adult (instead of A Dolt) was being responsible for what you
did, and taking the blame when you did badly. Way too many bosses pass the
blame down to a subordinate, but soak up the glory when something good
happens.
Charles of Schaumburg
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