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Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass
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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-17-2007
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:21:33 +0000, 6forPizza wrote: |
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I kept the Nova for 5 or six weeks, and when gas hit $0.75 a gallon, I traded it back! Luckily, they went for it and gave me my Corolla back! |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. |
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post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? *snip* Toyota is constantly looking for ways to lower costs and improve products. It translates most of the additional profits it earns, over GM, into better product design and additional capacity. At GM, the executives vote themselves bonuses and the union demands more benefits and featherbedding at the first sign of profits. |
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========== While GM is closing its factories in its native country, how can Toyota open its new plants in North America? It offers customers cars that are less expensive and less trouble to own over the life of the cars. Toyotas don't break as much and perform well. GM vehicles require more repairs and don't age well. ========== |
vehicles, but as far as I know, no really good low-mileage ones.
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How will the native slogan "Wake up America and Buy American" affect the future of Toyota in the U.S. market? Not much. Thanks to big bonuses to executives, outsized fringe benefits for the United Auto Workers union, poor product quality and just plain arrogance, GM and the UAW have lost the loyalty of American car buyers. Americans are not protectionist in their buying habits, and GM executives and the UAW have lost the trust and loyalty of many younger car buyers. |
screwed things up are still set for life.
Natalie
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 19:01:12 +0000, PerfectReign wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:30:01 +0000, Vash The Stampede rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled: On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:13:31 +0200, George Orwell wrote: post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Cause they build good cars? Because they were ahead of the Economy cruve 30 years ago? Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. One neat little thin I liked was the heater and radio had no dash lights, there was a green piece of plastic with a dome light bulb behind it that lit up the dash, and a little tab on it. When you pulled the tab, it opened the green lens and you had a map light. It was built into the overhang of the dash so you could have the map light on and not upset your view of the road. Simple little thing, but obviously meant a lot since I still remember it after 33 years... It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Okay, let's compare here. For roughly $1000 less - in 1975 dollars - you got a car with a green map light. You also got a 1200cc four-banger and not a (presumably) 350 V8. If that's what you wanted, then fine. The Corolla was designed for a person looking to move around town. The malibu was designed for people like my dad who wanted to go fast. (We had a '73 Nova at the time.) I don't think "kicking GM's ass" is the correct term these days. Back in '75 - when I was in first grade - GM have strong competition from Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, Honda, Saab, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. Heck, everytime I turn around I see someone driving a BMW 500-series or a Mercedes SLK. Back then, the only real import competition was from VW, and that was beginning to wane as they slowed produciton on the beetle. I'd be curious what the actual volume - and profit per car/truck - was back then for the Big Three and for Toyota when compared to now.' To put it in pictures, you're comparing this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...5_Chevelle.jpg to this: http://www.bilhistorie.dk/Billeder/Toyota/Corolla1.JPG Big difference Thanks for the pic of the Corolla! It is older than the one I had, but that's OK. See my response to someone else. I traded the Corolla for a Nova, and then traded it back...FAST! The Nova was OK, but I liked the Corolla better. $1,000 was a *LOT* of money then. Houses were selling for <$25,000, and I was 17 YO in High School. |
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Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. |
Blah, blah, blah...
Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices
for it.
They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it.
GM lost the war. They may still persevere, but not if they continue the way
they
are going.
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"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. |
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They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. |
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GM lost the war. They may still persevere, but not if they continue the way they are going. |
generally rates the new Silverado ahead of the new Tundra. The Impala
appears to be a good buy. Cadillac seems to have completely turned it's
image around. They seem to have figured out what to do with Saturn. GM is
confident that the new Malibu will be well received. It seems to me the
biggest weakness is the small car segment. Not sure what they are going to
do there, but I don't think that segment is particularly profitable for
anyone -even Toyota.
I wouldn't write GM off just yet.
Ed
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:46:27 +0000, Woody wrote: And you were paying the Japanese to kick your ass then and you are still paying the Japanese to kick your ass. You never learn do you. Actually, I did a long time ago. That's why I pay for Toyotas that don't break down very often and are easy to fix the few occasions they do. Better than paying GM's shareholders so their company can sell me crap. If GM paid as much attention to its *customers* as it did to its shareholders, they wouldn't be in this mess. I have a 20 year old Corolla. The last time it was emissions tested (2001) it was only slightly higher on one parameter than it was when it was a year old. Oh, and it's a GTS (Hachiroku) and a blast to drive. |
well. It passed with flying color's, and barley had any readings at all. Oh,
and it was a V8 with t-tops and a serious blast to drive.
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Sorry to shoot you down in flames...do some homework first next time. BTW, I broke the belt on my '85 Corolla GTS 3 times (just HAVE to squeeze that extra 1,000 miles out of the belt). Engine still runs like a champ. |
belts?
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. GM lost the war. |
else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs forever.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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my toyota echo, my corolla XRS and my Lotus elise have timing chains. tell me about your ford focus...... |
Ed
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