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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-19-2007
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I had signs of rust starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you do. |
that is a lot. Neither of my cars was washed from late November to March
when the snow and slush finally disappeared.
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Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2. I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow, ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it. |
once, my wife got stuck when the car did not start. I cleaned the cable and
off it went. My LeSabre has never not started in 125,000 miles and six
years. Still the original battery too. I've also been on call in all sorts
of weather and had to go in bizzards to repair medical equipment.
My last purchase was not a GM car, but that was for other reasons than rust
or the ability to start. I can't recall the last time one did not start for
me and I've not had one rust in years, probably since the 1970s. . I too
had a '62 Corvair but did not have it long enough to see if rust would get
to it. All cars rusted back in the '60s though. Very few cars rust today.
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The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. Twice.. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. |
living in altered states. They all rusted in the 60s, they all got better in
the late 80s or so. Rust is pretty much a thing of the past on any brand.
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n5hsr wrote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. You put salt on roads??? |
or sand. Salt on the State roads, sand often on town & county roads. Salt
on city roads. (Sand clogs the city's storm sewers.)
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WTF??? Okay, please explain why anyone would be stupid enough to put a corrosive substance like than on roads. Don't your tires melt? |
And no, the tires don't melt.
Cathy
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| By the way - my '95 Jimmy had 150K miles in six years with only one issue (fuel injector) replaced under warranty. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Not sure what you mean. If you drive through salt-infested roads, I'd highly suggest you take the car/truck outside and hose it off when you get home. That just makes no sense! |
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| Wow! That's a atretch! The Gran Torino was a good sized car! |
We had a Corolla wagon with 3 kids. All of us learned to drive in the
Corolla, too. I can't believe the clutch survived.
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 07:17:36 -0500, n5hsr wrote: Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. Wow, Charles. We had a Chevy II (Nova) with about 250,000 miles and NO rust! It was a '64, and we traded it in '72 for a new Corona. It had belonged to the power company, and the guy didn't BS my Mom. Told her it had 150,000 when she bought it. Ran GREAT. We put another 100,000 on it and traded it for the Corona. My '66 Corvair wasn't really rusty...excpet for the Fred Flinstone floorboard behind the driver's seat... And I had a '69 Nova that looked OK...faded paint. Guy from the Insp station said he couldn't pass it because of the missing driver's floor. I opened the dorr and stamped my foot on the floor! He said, "That's the frame you're pounding on..." |
We had to hold our feet up in back, the only thing between the front and
back seats was the brake cable.
We had to replace the floors in the Corvair twice.
OTOH, my 230,000 mile Corolla I had to replace the timing belt once, the CV
joints once, repainted partly once after it had been shot at. But no rust.
Charles of Schaumburg
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:53:52 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Where are you at? I'm in Western Mass. Of course, you can stave off rust with ANY car if you take care of it! |
starting to get it on the Corvair, and had problems with the tail lights
because the ground rusted out. We had to use bigger screws. Twice.
Charles of Schaumburg
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n5hsr wrote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. You put salt on roads??? WTF??? Okay, please explain why anyone would be stupid enough to put a corrosive substance like than on roads. Don't your tires melt? By the way - my '95 Jimmy had 150K miles in six years with only one issue (fuel injector) replaced under warranty. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Not sure what you mean. If you drive through salt-infested roads, I'd highly suggest you take the car/truck outside and hose it off when you get home. That just makes no sense! -- k |
your hose will almost freeze to the car because it's usually 20 above or
colder. Water has a tendency to freeze. . . .
You must live in the Southwest if you don't know that up here in Illinois
they put SALT on the roads when it snows, which it has been known to do.
Once it dumped 23 inches in one day. And no one has their garden hose out
to rinse the salt off at 20 below. There are huge MOUNDS of salt piled up
along the interstates in salt domes. One gets salt everywhere. I even can
count on getting saltcrust on my SHOES at least once a winter.
Charles of Schaumburg
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 06:07:59 -0700, PerfectReign wrote: n5hsr wrote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. You put salt on roads??? WTF??? Where the hell are YOU?! Yes, we put salt on roads here! Why do you think they call it the Rust Belt?!  Tough on cars. Nothing seems to stand up well. I have to admit this is the one area where the Japanese cars kind of fall on their faces. If you don't keep up on it, they'll rust out from underneath you. I bought my Corolla GTS (the one with 259,000 miles) in 1986 from the Service Manager at a Toy dealer. I asked him about rustproofing and undercoating. He asked if I WANTED it to rust! It went the longest...17 years with NO signs of rusting. Of course, it got driven in the winter 3 years out of 20, and in the snow maybe 3 times. It is a HORRIBLE snow car. But decent in the rain and dry roads! GM cars are next, and then Fords. European cars are the best. It takes a LONG time or just real neglect to get a European car to rust. Much better steel then the Japs, and even the American cars. Okay, please explain why anyone would be stupid enough to put a corrosive substance like than on roads. Don't your tires melt? LOL! Not quite. We use salt to melt ice. Salt will melt ice down to quite a low temp. When it snows, and the plows go through, the road can get exquistely slippery after only a few cars traverse it. Ends up looking like an Ice Ballet. And lately the snow has been ending in freezing rain...even better! I love watching the fools in the SUVs driving the speed limits or higher in this kind of weather... and then passing them at my sure but steady 40MPH 5 mile up the road, with the SUV on its side in a ditch... And 'rinsing' it only has a worse effect unless you spend about $7 at the car wash and rinse it until the water runs perfectly clear. Otherwise, you're just making brine, which is REAL good for steel! I take my cars over the line into VT and have them sprayed with Hydraulic oil. Doesn't bother the rubber bits, and inhibits the rust greatly. I had a 20 YO Celica the original owner oiled every uear for 5 years, and it didn't start rusting until I got 4 years service from it. By the way - my '95 Jimmy had 150K miles in six years with only one issue (fuel injector) replaced under warranty. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Not sure what you mean. If you drive through salt-infested roads, I'd highly suggest you take the car/truck outside and hose it off when you get home. That just makes no sense! See above about rinsing... |
roads, but sometimes they don't put on enough and I have ice underneath.
Watching the SUVs slide is fun as long as they're not sliding in MY
direction. . . .
There are a lot of people out here. They're not Riff Berbers, they're not
Raff Berbers, they're Sub-Burbers. And they flunked their inteligence test.
And they're driving SUV's that weigh twice as much as my little Corolla and
a lot faster. That's OK. I actually get where I'm going with only the
occasional slip.
Charles of Schaumburg
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:53:52 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Where are you at? I'm in Western Mass. Of course, you can stave off rust with ANY car if you take care of it! |
each way.
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:20:58 -0400, 80 Knight wrote: "Wickeddoll" <wickeddoll1958DieSpammersDie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:f2l5jp.cc.1 (AT) news (DOT) evilcabal.org... "BoobooBear" <Boo (AT) yahaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:464e4e1c$0$1258$822641b3 (AT) news (DOT) adtechcomputers.com... | | "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message | news:554b$464d9ac6$471fb881$26172 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET... | | > <HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message | > news:gZ53i.21859$JZ3.12791 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... | | >> "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote | >> in message | >> > Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits | >> > from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, | >> > this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. | | | | >> Blah, blah, blah... | >> Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay | >> higher | > prices | >> for it. | >> They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind | > it. | | >> GM lost the war. | | > GM is losing the battle, but the war will never be over. Like everything | > else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs forever. | | > -- | | > -Mike- | > mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net | | | GM is currently planning some B-17 sorties to bomb the Toyota | facturies in | japan this summer. | | | Bombing the Japanese didn't stop us from buying their cars. The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. Sure it does. But they paid quite a penalty, didn't they? And now they are an ally. |
trying to tell me VW is an American car! I'd like to know what drugs
they're taking, so I can STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM.
Charles of Schaumburg
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