98 Accound burning oil

#21

"Steve L" <srl1215 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Steve L wrote:

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Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when we
bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full going
through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I also noticed the
rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing isn't going in one of the
rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys know
about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC as to my
knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so it
looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted and put
some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the interior is
excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape except for the
paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not only have
to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year and it is expensive
if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to put some money into a good
car if you can get it to run reliably.

A thought came to mind this morning. In the olden days quite a bit was made

about the potential for compression rings to get glued into the piston
grooves by deposits. Whether it actually happened or not I don't know, but
on the chance that is related to the oil consumption you can try running a
can of Seafoam engine cleaner (http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUp.htm
available at NAPA) through the engine. My son has used it in his '94 Acura
and is very happy with the improvement in drivability (half the can siphoned
into the intake and half in the tank). Be warned - the engine produces
clouds of white smoke for several minutes.

Mike

#22

"Michael Pardee" <null (AT) null (DOT) org> wrote

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"Steve L" <srl1215 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Steve L wrote:

snipped

Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when
we bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full
going through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I
also noticed the rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing
isn't going in one of the rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so
back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys
know about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC
as to my knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so
it looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted
and put some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the
interior is excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape
except for the paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not
only have to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year
and it is expensive if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to
put some money into a good car if you can get it to run reliably.

A thought came to mind this morning. In the olden days quite a bit
was made about the potential for compression rings to get glued into
the piston grooves by deposits. Whether it actually happened or not
I don't know, but on the chance that is related to the oil
consumption you can try running a can of Seafoam engine cleaner
(http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUp.htm available at NAPA)
through the engine. My son has used it in his '94 Acura and is very
happy with the improvement in drivability (half the can siphoned
into the intake and half in the tank). Be warned - the engine
produces clouds of white smoke for several minutes.

Mike

The Seafoam is a thought..

Before I do that it seems very reasonable to change the PCV valve.
Could a failure in one of these really cause that much oil
consumption?

#23

"Michael Pardee" <null (AT) null (DOT) org> wrote

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"Steve L" <srl1215 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Steve L wrote:

snipped

Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when
we bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full
going through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I
also noticed the rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing
isn't going in one of the rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so
back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys
know about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC
as to my knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so
it looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted
and put some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the
interior is excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape
except for the paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not
only have to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year
and it is expensive if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to
put some money into a good car if you can get it to run reliably.

A thought came to mind this morning. In the olden days quite a bit
was made about the potential for compression rings to get glued into
the piston grooves by deposits. Whether it actually happened or not
I don't know, but on the chance that is related to the oil
consumption you can try running a can of Seafoam engine cleaner
(http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUp.htm available at NAPA)
through the engine. My son has used it in his '94 Acura and is very
happy with the improvement in drivability (half the can siphoned
into the intake and half in the tank). Be warned - the engine
produces clouds of white smoke for several minutes.

Mike

The Seafoam is a thought..

Before I do that it seems very reasonable to change the PCV valve.
Could a failure in one of these really cause that much oil
consumption?

#24

"Steve L" <srl1215 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Before I do that it seems very reasonable to change the
PCV valve. Could a failure in one of these really cause
that much oil consumption?

Any oil drips under the car after sitting all night? Get
under your car and look at the oil pan. Run a finger along
its surfaces. Is it covered with oily grime? Same for right
beneath the distributor.

A malfunctioning PCV valve can overpressurise the crankcase
leading to leaks at the oil pan gasket, where the dizzy
shaft penetrates the cylinder head, etc.

Get yourself an OEM PCV valve (not an aftermarket one) in
any event. The PCV valve really should be changed at least
every ten years, AFAIC. Should help fuel mileage, too.

#25

"Steve L" <srl1215 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Before I do that it seems very reasonable to change the
PCV valve. Could a failure in one of these really cause
that much oil consumption?

Any oil drips under the car after sitting all night? Get
under your car and look at the oil pan. Run a finger along
its surfaces. Is it covered with oily grime? Same for right
beneath the distributor.

A malfunctioning PCV valve can overpressurise the crankcase
leading to leaks at the oil pan gasket, where the dizzy
shaft penetrates the cylinder head, etc.

Get yourself an OEM PCV valve (not an aftermarket one) in
any event. The PCV valve really should be changed at least
every ten years, AFAIC. Should help fuel mileage, too.

#26

Leftie wrote:

Quote:

Steve L wrote:
"jim beam" <spamvortex (AT) bad (DOT) example.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:53:30 -0500, Steve L wrote:

it's highly unlikely oil seals are needed - that's more relevant to cars
with seals that are submerged in oil in the head. hondas are not.

regarding diagnosis, it sure would help us though if you said how much
it's burning.

Ah! Sorry.. he drove it over my house yesterday and it was down about
2.3 quarts, and it had been about 5K since last oil change.

It's been going through oil for quite sometime and seems to run well
in every other way. I had the timing belt changed and the front end
bushings changed at 100K miles. I can't remember that it's ever been
tuned up.

Someone mentioned a PVC valve stuck open could cause issues like this?
Engine looks clean, so it's not spewing oil out of the top of the engine.

There was a problem that was fairly common in the '70's, but not so
much now: a main crank oil seal would get a piece missing, and slowly
rotate. When the gap was oriented up, no oil leak. When it was down, the
engine would dump oil at highway speeds. I had at least one Maverick do
that. Unlikely but possible.

That sort of problem will coat the underside with oil. Automatic rust
proofing

I recently had a kink in a crankcase vent hose blow out a valve cover
gasket and I ended up with oil droplets sprayed on the back bumper. Had
to fix that in a hurry, environmental mess in addition to the car.

#27

Leftie wrote:

Quote:

Steve L wrote:
"jim beam" <spamvortex (AT) bad (DOT) example.net> wrote in message
news:C01Yk.25831$zf3.6370 (AT) fe06 (DOT) news.easynews.com...
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:53:30 -0500, Steve L wrote:

it's highly unlikely oil seals are needed - that's more relevant to cars
with seals that are submerged in oil in the head. hondas are not.

regarding diagnosis, it sure would help us though if you said how much
it's burning.

Ah! Sorry.. he drove it over my house yesterday and it was down about
2.3 quarts, and it had been about 5K since last oil change.

It's been going through oil for quite sometime and seems to run well
in every other way. I had the timing belt changed and the front end
bushings changed at 100K miles. I can't remember that it's ever been
tuned up.

Someone mentioned a PVC valve stuck open could cause issues like this?
Engine looks clean, so it's not spewing oil out of the top of the engine.

There was a problem that was fairly common in the '70's, but not so
much now: a main crank oil seal would get a piece missing, and slowly
rotate. When the gap was oriented up, no oil leak. When it was down, the
engine would dump oil at highway speeds. I had at least one Maverick do
that. Unlikely but possible.

That sort of problem will coat the underside with oil. Automatic rust
proofing

I recently had a kink in a crankcase vent hose blow out a valve cover
gasket and I ended up with oil droplets sprayed on the back bumper. Had
to fix that in a hurry, environmental mess in addition to the car.

#28

Steve L wrote:

Quote:

"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:w36Yk.3839$5L3.2487 (AT) newsfe09 (DOT) iad...
Steve L wrote:

snipped

Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when we
bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full going
through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I also noticed
the rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing isn't going in
one of the rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys
know about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC as
to my knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so it
looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted and
put some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the
interior is excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape
except for the paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not only
have to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year and it is
expensive if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to put some
money into a good car if you can get it to run reliably.

Surprising the paint is bad on something that "new", and amusing to me
anyway that '98 still sounds so new. As far as paint goes, you get what
you pay for, don't be tempted by those $300 paint jobs you see
advertised, I've seen the result of them and it'd look better left alone.

#29

Steve L wrote:

Quote:

"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:w36Yk.3839$5L3.2487 (AT) newsfe09 (DOT) iad...
Steve L wrote:

snipped

Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when we
bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full going
through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I also noticed
the rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing isn't going in
one of the rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys
know about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC as
to my knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so it
looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted and
put some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the
interior is excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape
except for the paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not only
have to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year and it is
expensive if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to put some
money into a good car if you can get it to run reliably.

Surprising the paint is bad on something that "new", and amusing to me
anyway that '98 still sounds so new. As far as paint goes, you get what
you pay for, don't be tempted by those $300 paint jobs you see
advertised, I've seen the result of them and it'd look better left alone.

#30

"James Sweet" <jamessweet1 (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Steve L wrote:
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40 (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:w36Yk.3839$5L3.2487 (AT) newsfe09 (DOT) iad...
Steve L wrote:

snipped

Hi,
Bought new? Replaced PCV? Checked compression on each cylinder?
Blow down test is even better. Tried heavier oil?

Bought used about 5 years ago, it had 50K and was a one owner when we
bought it.

Haven't checked compression yet, but will this week.

PVC hasn't been replaced but will do that quickly.

Haven't tried heavier oil.

I have a good mechanic looking at it this week, it needs a full going
through. It hasn't been tuned up in at least 80K miles. I also noticed
the rear end sounded noisy and I wonder if a bearing isn't going in one
of the rear wheels, he had one fail a year or so back.

So I'll get the car checked out stem to stern and then let you guys know
about the oil mystery. I'm thinking it very well maybe the PVC as to my
knowledge that has never been replaced.

It has also lost a lot of paint on the hood and roof and trunk, so it
looks lousy too. I'm thinking to pimp it out and get it painted and put
some money in it, if I can fix this oil issue, because the interior is
excellent (grey leather) and the body is in good shape except for the
paint and it still rides well or seems to.

In Massachusetts where I live if you buy a new/used car you not only have
to pay sales tax, you have to pay excise tax each year and it is
expensive if you buy a newer car. It just makes sense to put some money
into a good car if you can get it to run reliably.

Surprising the paint is bad on something that "new", and amusing to me
anyway that '98 still sounds so new. As far as paint goes, you get what
you pay for, don't be tempted by those $300 paint jobs you see advertised,
I've seen the result of them and it'd look better left alone.

Sounds new to me too. I drive them till the wheels fall off. I'm driving a
1987 Ford van. My son is driving our 1989 Accord and my wife is driving our
1992 Seville. Just can't stand to make payments, I guess.