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Re: Hybrid cars -
01-17-2006
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Steve W. wrote: NEVER going to happen. Ask the folks in Mass what happened when they wanted to install windpower out in the bay. Teddy Kennedy and his friends stood up and shouted NO. Same thing happens all over the country. Falls into the NIMBA category. I live less than 25 miles from a wind farm now and there are folks who bitch about it every day. The best ones are folks who are moving into the area and start complaining about it. There is also a planned farm just about 2 miles away that I am in support of, BUT again there are a bunch who are totally against it. Some of those don't even live in the area or own land here. BUT they get a LOT of press. Much better long term is MODERN design nuke power. Yes I said NUKE. No emissions and very safe and stable regardless of the HYPE the anti nuke folks cry. Oh and before folks bring them up - Chernobyl CANNOT happen with modern designs, and only happened there because of the poor design of the plant and even after all is said and done there were still fewer deaths than on 9/11. And Three Mile island? NO deaths, NO radiation leak, and in reality no real danger. Drive through northern Iowa or southwestern Minnesota. Farm land is being used for very large wind turbine farms, and the land can continue to be farmed. We are generating large amounts of wind power out here. Now, I don't have any quarrel with nuclear power- I think it is a good answer, but there ARE regions of the country where people are okay with wind power. In those regions that are not, when they find themselves paying far more for energy than regions that use wind power, their attitudes may change. |
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aniramca (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote in news:1137338838.245342.223410 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: With the rising gas prices, we hear more and more about this type of car today. However, I am still not very sure about the reception of this type of car. My friend owned a Honda Insight, and he has been driving it for over 5 years now. He never complained and he said that everything run perfectly so far. However, when I asked whether it is worth the money, he thinks that from the economical stands point, his car ended up more costly for him. He said that his car insurance itself did not offset what he gained from the fuel economy. He doesn't know what other extra costs for extra maintenance, as his car now reached the 100K zone. Today, I only see almost none of the Honda Insight (except his). I saw just a number of Toyota Prius.I have never since a Ford Escape Hybrid, although they bragged about it since last fall. Does Escape Hybrid actually reach the consumer market? Strangely, I did see a Lexus RX 400h in our rather small city the other day. I read in the news that Honda Civic and Accord have now a hybrid version. The new Toyota Camry hybrid is coming up. GM and Ford promise for hybrid cars (never see on the street yet). The bottom line, do people really care to get a higher price hybrid cars? Does their reception only reflect the "environmentally conscience" approach nowadays, or do people really want to buy a hybrid? Diesel car has never been popular in this part of the world. I wonder if hybrid car is just another one of those items, where people buy to make an environmental statement, or a "fad" of the 20th century. How do hybrid cars really compare with regular cars in terms of: gas consumptions, car insurance cost, maintenance costs, easy access for repair in car garages, solving the world's environmental problems. So far, I still see that hybrid cars receptions are still rather muted or muzzled. I notice that people buy them just to show off, or just to make statement that they are not gas guzzlers. Is this true? Would like to hear some opinion and discussion. I don't think it's so much of a fad as it is a resource conservation concern. The government seems to be pushing these cars and encouraging their development and sales. Not necessarily to save you money, but probably to conserve the oil resources and lighten our link to foreign countries. If everyone drove a hybrid our country would be doing better economically in that standing, but as you point out they'd have to be a lot more economical to the user. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Diesel car has never been popular in this part of the world. I wonder if hybrid car is just another one of those items, where people buy to make an environmental statement, or a "fad" of the 20th century. How do hybrid cars really compare with regular cars in terms of: gas consumptions, car insurance cost, maintenance costs, easy access for repair in car garages, solving the world's environmental problems. So far, I still see that hybrid cars receptions are still rather muted or muzzled. I notice that people buy them just to show off, or just to make statement that they are not gas guzzlers. Is this true? Would like to hear some opinion and discussion. I don't think it's so much of a fad as it is a resource conservation concern. The government seems to be pushing these cars and encouraging their development and sales. Not necessarily to save you money, but probably to conserve the oil resources and lighten our link to foreign countries. If everyone drove a hybrid our country would be doing better economically in that standing, but as you point out they'd have to be a lot more economical to the user. |
Maybe I'm a cynic, but IMO the current government is pushing hybrids,
hydrogen, ethanol, etc. to distract the public and shut down
discussion of measures which might actually reduce fuel consumption.
The subsidy for hybrids is a tiny fraction of the subsidy for real
estate agents to buy Hummers. Throwing a little money at fuel cell
research is much cheaper and much more over-the-horizon than improving
mass transit. Any measures which might decrease fuel consumption by
monster SUVs are strictly off the table.
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:11:34 -0600, Janus <janus_k2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) nospam wrote: Diesel car has never been popular in this part of the world. I wonder if hybrid car is just another one of those items, where people buy to make an environmental statement, or a "fad" of the 20th century. How do hybrid cars really compare with regular cars in terms of: gas consumptions, car insurance cost, maintenance costs, easy access for repair in car garages, solving the world's environmental problems. So far, I still see that hybrid cars receptions are still rather muted or muzzled. I notice that people buy them just to show off, or just to make statement that they are not gas guzzlers. Is this true? Would like to hear some opinion and discussion. I don't think it's so much of a fad as it is a resource conservation concern. The government seems to be pushing these cars and encouraging their development and sales. Not necessarily to save you money, but probably to conserve the oil resources and lighten our link to foreign countries. If everyone drove a hybrid our country would be doing better economically in that standing, but as you point out they'd have to be a lot more economical to the user. Maybe I'm a cynic, but IMO the current government is pushing hybrids, hydrogen, ethanol, etc. to distract the public and shut down discussion of measures which might actually reduce fuel consumption. The subsidy for hybrids is a tiny fraction of the subsidy for real estate agents to buy Hummers. Throwing a little money at fuel cell research is much cheaper and much more over-the-horizon than improving mass transit. Any measures which might decrease fuel consumption by monster SUVs are strictly off the table. |
Toyota have hybrid versions of some of their SUV's. I would think that
would make them more fuel efficient (if one can afford to buy them!)
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Maybe I'm a cynic, but IMO the current government is pushing hybrids, hydrogen, ethanol, etc. to distract the public and shut down discussion of measures which might actually reduce fuel consumption. The subsidy for hybrids is a tiny fraction of the subsidy for real estate agents to buy Hummers. Throwing a little money at fuel cell research is much cheaper and much more over-the-horizon than improving mass transit. Any measures which might decrease fuel consumption by monster SUVs are strictly off the table. Doesn't GM have a hybrid Silverado truck now? |
this "hybrid." Then see how much information is available on the
"THUNDERING 345-HP VORTEC MAX 6000 V8"
http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/
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And doesn't both Ford and Toyota have hybrid versions of some of their SUV's. I would think that would make them more fuel efficient (if one can afford to buy them!) |
a vehicle of equivalent size, but I don't wee many out there compared
to the number of Avalanches and Tahoes driving around. In any event,
my criticism isn't of hybrids, it's of the government policies that
throw a few crumbs at a huge problem while refusing to take the most
simple steps toward reforming defective regulations. For example,
what is the EPA fuel economy of a Hummer H2? Give up? It's a trick
question. It doesn't have one because it is not a light truck. It
doesn't count against the GM CAFE.
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:02:28 -0500, jcr <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote: And doesn't both Ford and Toyota have hybrid versions of some of their SUV's. I would think that would make them more fuel efficient (if one can afford to buy them!) The Ford and Toyota might theoretically save some fuel if they replace a vehicle of equivalent size, but I don't wee many out there compared to the number of Avalanches and Tahoes driving around. In any event, my criticism isn't of hybrids, it's of the government policies that throw a few crumbs at a huge problem while refusing to take the most simple steps toward reforming defective regulations. For example, what is the EPA fuel economy of a Hummer H2? Give up? It's a trick question. It doesn't have one because it is not a light truck. It doesn't count against the GM CAFE. |
than it already is at best and create even worse "unintended
consequences". CAFE is a big contributor to what pushed people to buy
these monstrosities. And all because a family sedan or wagon that could
tow 5000 pounds and haul 7 people around couldn't be built any longer
and still meet CAFE. The American family still had the requirement for
vehicles with those capabilities. Enter the scene first was the minivan
(as a people mover, not so much a tow vehicle), followed by the SUV that
covers both requirements
Before you say anything, I drive a mid-sized sedan and never owned an
SUV. But when the kids were still around, we simply didn't all fit in a
"sedan" and needed at least a minivan. So that is what we had.
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Maybe I'm a cynic, but IMO the current government is pushing hybrids, hydrogen, ethanol, etc. to distract the public and shut down discussion of measures which might actually reduce fuel consumption. The subsidy for hybrids is a tiny fraction of the subsidy for real estate agents to buy Hummers. Throwing a little money at fuel cell research is much cheaper and much more over-the-horizon than improving mass transit. Any measures which might decrease fuel consumption by monster SUVs are strictly off the table. |
about is minimal, and it is going to be directed in some wrong ways. We
don't NEED fuel cells to run our cars on hydrogen. The gasoline or
diesel engine can be easily adapted to run on hydrogen. We need the
research on how to economically OBTAIN hydrogen.
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The Ford and Toyota might theoretically save some fuel if they replace a vehicle of equivalent size, but I don't wee many out there compared to the number of Avalanches and Tahoes driving around. In any event, my criticism isn't of hybrids, it's of the government policies that throw a few crumbs at a huge problem while refusing to take the most simple steps toward reforming defective regulations. For example, what is the EPA fuel economy of a Hummer H2? Give up? It's a trick question. It doesn't have one because it is not a light truck. It doesn't count against the GM CAFE. Just making it a hybrid does not save gas. It is how it is done- the |
A properly designed hybrid sizes the IC engine to equal the AVERAGE
power requirement, the electric motor to fit the difference between
desired PEAK and the AVERAGE.
Many of these so-called hybrids have very large IC engines with a small
electric motor to provide a slight performance boost. Yeah, they are
technically hybrids, but not worth much. A 300 hp IC engine and a 25
horse electric is not going to save you much gas.
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