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Default 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-03-2009 , 04:51 PM







Hello.

I drive a '93 Accord that just suddenly and unexpectedly crapped out on
me today. I had it towed to a shop where I was told that I was leaking
oil onto my spark plugs. He told me that I would need to have the spark
plugs, distributor, and valve cover gaskets replaced, and quoted me a
price of nearly $900.

Does this sound reasonable to you?


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-04-2009 , 05:45 AM






On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:51:16 -0500, Expalphalog
<Expalphalog.3q3mt0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.travel.com> wrote:

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Hello.

I drive a '93 Accord that just suddenly and unexpectedly crapped out on
me today. I had it towed to a shop where I was told that I was leaking
oil onto my spark plugs. He told me that I would need to have the spark
plugs, distributor, and valve cover gaskets replaced, and quoted me a
price of nearly $900.

Does this sound reasonable to you?
It sounds like it is leaking oil from the valve cover gaskets into the
spark plug wells. This is a relatively minor problem which can be
fixed by cleaning out the oil and replacing the gaskets. If the plugs
are old, might as well replace them also. Figure $50 in parts and an
hour labor. The distributor is expensive and some of this vintage are
known to fail. You need to find out why he thinks you need a new
distributor.


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-04-2009 , 06:57 AM



Expalphalog <Expalphalog.3q3mt0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.travel.com> wrote in
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Hello.

I drive a '93 Accord that just suddenly and unexpectedly crapped out on
me today. I had it towed to a shop where I was told that I was leaking
oil onto my spark plugs. He told me that I would need to have the spark
plugs, distributor, and valve cover gaskets replaced, and quoted me a
price of nearly $900.

Does this sound reasonable to you?




Depends. Why do you need a whole new distributor? Is it because they can't
figure out if the igniter or the coil has failed?


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-04-2009 , 09:26 AM



On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, Expalphalog <Expalphalog.3q3...@no-
mx.forums.travel.com> wrote:
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I drive a '93 Accord that just suddenly and unexpectedly crapped
out on
me today. I had it towed to a shop where I was told that I was leaking
oil onto my spark plugs. He told me that I would need to have the spark
plugs, distributor, and valve cover gaskets replaced, and quoted me a
price of nearly $900.

Does this sound reasonable to you?
Older Accord like yours are vulnerable to spark plug tube o-ring
failure. It is a common seal failure on older Hondas. The four o-rings
are between the top of the cylinder head and the rocker arm tower. The
tubes fill with oil and the oil soaks through to the plugs. Repair of
this alone would run a few hundred dollars in my estimation, mostly
for labor.

For more discussion and a drawing, see http://honda.lioness.googlepages.com/oilinthesparkplugtubes
.. Tegger has a site that covers this, too. You can take the spark plug
wires off and look in the tubes and see whether oil has accumulated
there, yourself.

As for the distributor, I suspect they are not 100% sure of their
diagnosis and so are giving you a worst-case estimate. Forego any
distributor work for now, unless they give you more reason to work on
the dizzy. Report what they say here first.



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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-04-2009 , 10:40 AM




I'll be sure to ask. Thanks!


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-06-2009 , 06:52 PM



On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT), honda.lioness (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:

Quote:
On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, Expalphalog <Expalphalog.3q3...@no-
mx.forums.travel.com> wrote:
I drive a '93 Accord that just suddenly and unexpectedly crapped
out on
me today. I had it towed to a shop where I was told that I was leaking
oil onto my spark plugs. He told me that I would need to have the spark
plugs, distributor, and valve cover gaskets replaced, and quoted me a
price of nearly $900.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Older Accord like yours are vulnerable to spark plug tube o-ring
failure. It is a common seal failure on older Hondas. The four o-rings
are between the top of the cylinder head and the rocker arm tower. The
tubes fill with oil and the oil soaks through to the plugs. Repair of
this alone would run a few hundred dollars in my estimation, mostly
for labor.
To pop the valve cover off and stick four o-rings on it? Even with
cleaning out the oil and replacing the plugs and wires it shouldn't
take more than an hour.







Quote:
For more discussion and a drawing, see http://honda.lioness.googlepages.com/oilinthesparkplugtubes
. Tegger has a site that covers this, too. You can take the spark plug
wires off and look in the tubes and see whether oil has accumulated
there, yourself.

As for the distributor, I suspect they are not 100% sure of their
diagnosis and so are giving you a worst-case estimate. Forego any
distributor work for now, unless they give you more reason to work on
the dizzy. Report what they say here first.

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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-06-2009 , 07:19 PM



Gordon McGrew <gRmEcMgOrVeEw (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT), honda.lioness (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:



Older Accord like yours are vulnerable to spark plug tube o-ring
failure. It is a common seal failure on older Hondas. The four o-rings
are between the top of the cylinder head and the rocker arm tower. The
tubes fill with oil and the oil soaks through to the plugs. Repair of
this alone would run a few hundred dollars in my estimation, mostly
for labor.

To pop the valve cover off and stick four o-rings on it? Even with
cleaning out the oil and replacing the plugs and wires it shouldn't
take more than an hour.





I had somebody email me recently asking this question: While doing this
repair, what's the best way of getting the oil out of the tubes?

I've never had to do this myself, so I didn't know for sure.

Suggestions?


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-06-2009 , 10:25 PM






On 4/6/09 7:19 PM, in article Xns9BE5CEB2623BCtegger (AT) 208 (DOT) 90.168.18, "Tegger"
<invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) inv> wrote:

Quote:
Gordon McGrew <gRmEcMgOrVeEw (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in
news:225lt45qned8avbr4nh6vr6pvn7bgdmahu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT), honda.lioness (AT) gmail (DOT) com
wrote:



Older Accord like yours are vulnerable to spark plug tube o-ring
failure. It is a common seal failure on older Hondas. The four o-rings
are between the top of the cylinder head and the rocker arm tower. The
tubes fill with oil and the oil soaks through to the plugs. Repair of
this alone would run a few hundred dollars in my estimation, mostly
for labor.

To pop the valve cover off and stick four o-rings on it? Even with
cleaning out the oil and replacing the plugs and wires it shouldn't
take more than an hour.






I had somebody email me recently asking this question: While doing this
repair, what's the best way of getting the oil out of the tubes?

I've never had to do this myself, so I didn't know for sure.

Suggestions?

I just wrapped a paper towel around the end of a flat tipped screwdriver and
wiped the holes out (with the plugs removed) the last time I did it.



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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-07-2009 , 08:18 AM



Gordon McGrew <gRmEcMgOrV... (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote:
honda.lion... (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Quote:
Older Accord like yours are vulnerable to spark plug tube o-ring
failure. It is a common seal failure on older Hondas. The four o-rings
are between the top of the cylinder head and the rocker arm tower. The
tubes fill with oil and the oil soaks through to the plugs. Repair of
this alone would run a few hundred dollars in my estimation, mostly
for labor.

To pop the valve cover off and stick four o-rings on it?
I think you are confusing the seals in the valve cover (not actually o-
rings) with what are actual o-rings further down in the spark plug
tubes. See the drawing at the top of the site I linked in my first
post in this thread. The o-rings that are much further down can only
be replaced by taking off the rocker arm assembly.


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Default Re: 1993 Honda Accord - Oil Leaking - Estimate too high? - 04-07-2009 , 08:46 AM



Quote:
On 4/6/09 7:19 PM, in article Xns9BE5CEB2623BCtegger (AT) 208 (DOT) 90.168.18,
"Tegger" <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) inv> wrote:



I had somebody email me recently asking this question: While doing
this repair, what's the best way of getting the oil out of the tubes?

I've never had to do this myself, so I didn't know for sure.

Suggestions?



E. Meyer:
Quote:
I just wrapped a paper towel around the end of a flat tipped
screwdriver and wiped the holes out (with the plugs removed) the last
time I did it.

jim beam:
Quote:
i just take the plugs out and let it run into the pistons. sure, you
get a puff of smoke when you restart, but it's gone in a moment and the
job's done.


I figured it had to be pretty simple, but just wanted to check. Thanks.


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