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automatic transmission failure question
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Re: automatic transmission failure question -
04-26-2009
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"Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news  an.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission? Thanks One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline preservative? Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about. If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and replace it. If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it moving! DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need to replace it. Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. |
There is no filter, no pan, just a drain plug. Its easier than changing the
oil. The main thing is that you have to use Honda ATF if you want it to
work at all and Honda explicitly warns against power flushing them.
The first question I would ask is whether any of these guys quoting $2000
transmission replacements even looked at the fluid level first.
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* * Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change andnew trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. |
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It sounds like you're not familiar with Honda Automatics of that generation. There is no filter, no pan, just a drain plug. *Its easier than changing the oil. *The main thing is that you have to use Honda ATF if you want it to work at all and Honda explicitly warns against power flushing them. The first question I would ask is whether any of these guys quoting $2000 transmission replacements even looked at the fluid level first. |
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krp wrote: "Hachiroku ハチ*ク" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission? Thanks One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline preservative? Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about. If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and replace it. If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it moving! DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need to replace it. Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. wasting money on oil without a proper diagnosis is ridiculous. |
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It sounds like you're not familiar with Honda Automatics of that generation. There is no filter, no pan, just a drain plug. Its easier than changing the oil. The main thing is that you have to use Honda ATF if you want it to work at all and Honda explicitly warns against power flushing them. The first question I would ask is whether any of these guys quoting $2000 transmission replacements even looked at the fluid level first. |
I may be mistaken, I thought it had a filter. I wonder if HE checked the
trans stick???
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:43:59 +0000, krp wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission? Thanks One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline preservative? Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about. If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and replace it. If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it moving! DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need to replace it. Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. I do it myself for ~$35...not including 6-pack. |
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krp wrote: "jim beam" <retard-finger (AT) bad (DOT) example.net> wrote in message news:gaudnX0ZdoNvWmnUnZ2dnUVZ_tBi4p2d (AT) speakeasy (DOT) net... krp wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote: I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission? Thanks One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline preservative? Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about. If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and replace it. If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it moving! DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need to replace it. Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. wasting money on oil without a proper diagnosis is ridiculous. Maybe but it is the cheapest place to start. eh? diagnosis is the cheapest place to start... |
that was more expensive then what the car is worth. I would think
spending $30-$100 is an acceptable risk to see if it it can be
salvaged if the rest of the vehicle is in fairly sound condition. If
it doesn't work, all that is lost is a few bucks. Beyond that, it
probably isn't worth it to open the housing, as just that portion
could cost more in personal time and/or money for a proper diagnosis.
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I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission? Thanks One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline preservative? Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about. If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and replace it. If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it moving! DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need to replace it. Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100. wasting money on oil without a proper diagnosis is ridiculous. Maybe but it is the cheapest place to start. eh? diagnosis is the cheapest place to start... |
NOT Donald Trump. Given that - he can PAY to have it towed to a dealer or
transmission shop for a diagnosis. MAYBE free maybe cost. What can a
SHADETREE mechanic do to check stuff out? First check the trans dipstick.
Then change fluid. If it is still dead, get a different trans at the bone
yard or send it to the crusher and get an 11 year old Honda.
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Thanks to everyone who provided some advice. The transmission fluid level is above the lower notch. But that is a cold reading. I can't get the transmission up to temperature to perform a more accurate reading, as it won't drive. I can't imagine that just adding fluid would magically bring it back to life - but I am no expert. I wish the the transmission computer had a similar interface like the engine has OBDII The failure seems entirely "fail safe" electrical as I had no symptoms until I safely came to a stop. |
pump up. A couple minutes. If it is still dead, call a priest, it's time for
a newer car.
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