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techman41973@yahoo.com
 
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Default automatic transmission failure question - 04-25-2009 , 08:46 PM






I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?

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Scott Dorsey
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-25-2009 , 09:00 PM






techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com <techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
It might be a linkage issue, that the prindle has become disconnected
from the transmission. If this is the case, you might be able to fiddle
with it and find a position on it that will get you into drive.

But yes, for the most part automatic transmissions are sealed boxes
that you don't repair, you just replace them as a whole. 280k on a
slushbox is pretty good.

Quote:
One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?
If the transmission is bad and it has 280k on it, I would be very
surprised if you could sell it.
--scott

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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-25-2009 , 09:39 PM



Besides checking what Scott said as far as mechanical linkage goes
(when you shift, does the cable on the transmission end shifts too?),
you might just want to plug in an oil pressure gauge and read off the
line pressure. Not sure if the parts store will have these free
loaners, but may be worth a check. Not sure if an engine oil pressure
gauge will work (enough adapters and pressure range?)

The problem, I read, is that disintegrating debris plugs up the
strainer, and basically starves the transmission of fluid. If that's
the case, the ATF line pressure will be way below specs. Then just
call up a mechanic willing to put in a low miles salvage transmission
that costs < $800 installed, with a 3-month warranty from the junk
yard. If that's even worth it.

That's why later Honda retrofitted and added a transmission inline
filter. And a reason I think a remote filter would help earlier in
these cases:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=BMM-80277


On Apr 25, 5:46*pm, "techman41... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com" <techman41... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
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Quote:
I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I *put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. *The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. *Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?


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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-25-2009 , 09:42 PM



Ditto. 280K miles (?) is actually pretty good. Honda's automatics are
said to be as mediocre as Hyundai transmissions as far as reliability
goes I read somewhere.


On Apr 25, 5:46*pm, "techman41... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com" <techman41... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I *put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. *The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. *Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?


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krp
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 06:44 AM




<techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?

Start with this. Drain the trans fluid and change the filter. If that
doesn't do it, go to a bone yard and swap transmissions. But again change
fluid and filter on that one before driving.



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krp
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 11:43 AM




"Hachiroku ハチ*ク" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote

Quote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote:

I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?

Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check.
Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about.

If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the
condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and
replace it.

If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the
ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the radiator),
get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the car
idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it through
the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have
never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which
may be the only thing keeping it moving!

DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would need
to replace it.

Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new
trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100.



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Hal
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 01:06 PM



Quote:
just to confirm this. *Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks
Unlikely. Even if it was something simple, at 280k on an automatic
transaxle you are on borrowed time anyway.

If the rest of the car is pretty nice(Paint, interior, engine runs
good and has been maintained) then I'd go get a used junkyard
transaxle with a 90 day warranty and put that in the car and keep
driving. Even if you had to pay a shop to install the used transaxle
it would still be cheaper than having your current box rebuilt.

A 1997 PaidFor in good running condition beats the hell out of a new
car in my book.....

Good luck with it.

Chris


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Kevin
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 04:36 PM



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS>
wrote in newsan.2009.04.26.17.33.11.21418 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS:

Quote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:43:59 +0000, krp wrote:


"Hachiroku ハチ*ク" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message
newsan.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote:

I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse
gear worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter
position resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on
a small number of throttle applications, the car started moving
forward slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on
a manual transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my
transmission was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and
several repair shops told me over the phone that the auto
transmission needs to be replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the
age of the car. Its now sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would
tow it to a mechanic and have them verify this for sure. Im not
sure its worth spending the money just to confirm this. Is there
much of a chance that this problem would require a repair that
doesnt involve replacing the entire automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?

Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd
check. Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about.

If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the
condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can
and replace it.

If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off
the ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the
radiator), get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by
letting the car idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while
you replace it through the filler. However, on a tranny this old
that sounds like it may have never been service, this could remove
the loose friction material which may be the only thing keeping it
moving!

DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really
would need to replace it.


Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and
new
trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100.


I do it myself for ~$35...not including 6-pack.



it better be cheeper than that as the honda has a drain plug and no
replaceable filter. Just did it on my son inlaws 98 accord. KB

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krp
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 04:43 PM




"Hachiroku ハチ*ク" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote

Quote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:43:59 +0000, krp wrote:


"Hachiroku ハチ*ク" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message
newsan.2009.04.26.15.01.16.164538 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:46:31 -0700, techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote:

I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?
Thanks

One more question. It may take a while before I sell it. I plan on
starting the engine once every 2-weeks or so to keep the engine in
good order and battery charged. Should I add an oil or gasoline
preservative?

Did you check the fluid level? That would be the first thing I'd check.
Low level will cause exactly what you're talking about.

If it's not sealed, change or clean the screen (and report back the
condition of any debris you find...) and drain as much as you can and
replace it.

If you're adventerous, you can lift the front of the car, wheels off the
ground, pull the trans cooler lines (the one that pumps to the
radiator),
get a few quarts of trans fluid and 'flush' the tranny by letting the
car
idle in drive and pump the fluid out the tube while you replace it
through
the filler. However, on a tranny this old that sounds like it may have
never been service, this could remove the loose friction material which
may be the only thing keeping it moving!

DON'T have it powerflushed!!! It's too old, and then you really would
need
to replace it.


Sounds like he might luck out with just a normal fluid change and new
trans filter. Not big bucks. Most shops will do it for around $100.


I do it myself for ~$35...not including 6-pack.
He doesn't sound like he'd be capable of doing that. Most likely it is
either low on fluid or It has 300K on an original filter. Seen that lots
before. Change the fluid AND filter and they run another 200K. Could be he
ran it for 150K and never looked at the trans stick to see if there was ANY
fluid in it.




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E. Meyer
 
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Default Re: automatic transmission failure question - 04-26-2009 , 05:46 PM






On 4/26/09 5:44 AM, in article eWWIl.674$fy.290 (AT) nwrddc01 (DOT) gnilink.net, "krp"
<krp34 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

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techman41973 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I have a 97 Honda Accord with 280K. Recently, I pulled over from
driving to check a map and when I put my car back in D, the engine
just raced like it was in neutral when I gave it gas. The reverse gear
worked for a bit in the parking lot, eventually no shifter position
resulted in movement of the vehicle. In D & R and only on a small
number of throttle applications, the car started moving forward
slightly, similar to that brief moment before the clutch on a manual
transmission is fully engaged. Before I pulled over my transmission
was working absolutely perfectly. The AAA tow guy and several repair
shops told me over the phone that the auto transmission needs to be
replaced (~$2000). Not worth it with the age of the car. Its now
sitting in my driveway. Ideally, I would tow it to a mechanic and have
them verify this for sure. Im not sure its worth spending the money
just to confirm this. Is there much of a chance that this problem
would require a repair that doesnt involve replacing the entire
automatic transmission?


Start with this. Drain the trans fluid and change the filter. If that
doesn't do it, go to a bone yard and swap transmissions. But again change
fluid and filter on that one before driving.

There's no replaceable filter on a '97 Honda Automatic, just a drain plug.



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