Jiffy Lube, Honda, and the Wallet Flush

#31

"Ray O" <rokigawa (AT) NOSPAMtristarassociates (DOT) com> wrote

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"Truly Stunned" <violin (AT) thebridgeofsighs (DOT) sad> wrote in message
news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008 (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com...
In article
a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6...oglegroups.com>,
nm5k (AT) wt (DOT) net wrote:

On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?

I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.

You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
mess.

If you are changing your oil on a timely basis, doing what you are
describing above is not necessary and may actually cause additional wear
on the engine.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Whew! I am glad it turns out to be of no benefit because I definitely did
not want to go through the hassle!

#32

Ray O wrote:

Quote:

"Truly Stunned" <violin (AT) thebridgeofsighs (DOT) sad> wrote in message
news:violin-4E6095.09163316112008 (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com...
In article
a9de702e-a546-4cdf-9a79-45c11c5b54d6...oglegroups.com>,
nm5k (AT) wt (DOT) net wrote:

On Nov 13, 4:14 pm, "sanity" <san... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

And what do you do with the waste oil and the used filter?
I take it back to autozone and dump it into their used oil tank.
The filter I just chunk in the garbage. Drained of course..
I've never had anyone change my oil. Ever.
As far as cars go, the Corolla is very easy as I don't
even have to jack it up. I can reach everything from the
front of the car. I let mine drain quite a while also.
I'll pull the plug and go watch TV or something for a while.
The longer it can drain, the more dirt comes out.
Course, it may be a fairly minute difference once you get
down to a drip, but I'm usually in no big rush.
You might already do this, but after most of the oil has drained, pull
out the spark plugs (or remove the distributor cap) and turn the engine
over a coupla-three times. That will move any oil pooled in the engine
down to the oilpan to drain out. You will be amazed at how much oil is
left after it looks completely drained. Be sure to have something to
catch the oil that will flow out of the filter hole too, or it'll be a
mess.

If you are changing your oil on a timely basis, doing what you are
describing above is not necessary and may actually cause additional wear on
the engine.

I'm with you, Ray, I change my oil & filter per; Honda's instructions
and sleep well at night.

#33

AJL wrote:

Quote:

SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting to
hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the journeyman
union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on strike, and the
dealers capitulated.

Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
unemployment wages...

That's the Dept of Tough Shit for the dealers, they knew the risks when
they went into the auto business.

#34

SMS wrote:

Quote:

AJL wrote:
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting
to hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the
journeyman union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on
strike, and the dealers capitulated.

Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
unemployment wages...

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight. People are worried about their jobs
and credit is tight because of W and his cohorts.

Well, if you want to introduce reality ...

#35

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Quote:

In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight.

read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".

Not so, I still hear ads on the radio (remember radio? <g>), saying 'no
credit? Bad credit? Come on down...". Someone has to cover those bad
loans and it's increasingly us (taxpayers).

#36

krw wrote:

Quote:

In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".

Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.

Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that. I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

#37

Tegger wrote:

Quote:

SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353 (AT) nlpi064 (DOT) nbdc.sbc.com:

Tegger wrote:

Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
cars.
On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.

They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
"sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.

How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite. Most people know
little of what's actually required for their cars (computers, too, for
that matter) and they like to think the JL people won't lie to their
faces and claim something's required when it's specifically prohibited
by the manufacturer.

#38

AJL wrote:

Quote:

"Truckdude" <sarah (AT) duh (DOT) com> wrote:

Jiffy Lube again?? NBC 4 has busted them in the past for charging for work
they did not perform.

My local Sears automotive department (Phoenix AZ) was busted in a
local TV sting some years back for the doing the same thing. It's
certainly not limited to Jiffy...

God, no! IIRC the local Honda dealer (Paul Miller Honda) recommended a
transmission flush when I was there getting my bum radio replaced under
warranty. Metro Honda was much worse, giving me the hard sell on a bunch
of crap, including replacing the wiper blades I had done myself the day
before. The service adviser said they tested them and they weren't
wiping properly. The windshield wasn't wet, BTW, when I drove home 5
minutes later. (like they're actually going to take the time to test how
well customers' wipers are wiping!)

#39

In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...

Quote:

krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".

Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.

Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that.

Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

Quote:

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.

--
Keith

#40

Tony Harding wrote:

Quote:

SMS wrote:
AJL wrote:
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually in my area there was a big to-do about the dealers wanting
to hire those type of people for oil changes to avoid paying the
journeyman union mechanics their normal rate. The mechanics went on
strike, and the dealers capitulated.

Unions have been doing that sort of thing for years. Imagine, full
mechanics wages for an oil changer. Too bad. As the dealers are
currently going broke I wonder if they'll go on strike for better
unemployment wages...

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about
their jobs and because credit is tight. People are worried about their
jobs and credit is tight because of W and his cohorts.

Well, if you want to introduce reality ...

And the new cars and light trucks being way overpriced and looking like
gigantic HotWheels toy cars couldn't have anything to do with it? When I
saw the last few go-rounds of new models come out (especially the
Chrysler products), my first thought was that they invented a time
machine, and brought in a bunch of 10 year old boys from around 1973 to
run their styling department.

--
aem sends...