Jiffy Lube, Honda, and the Wallet Flush

#41

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

If you believe W was really in control shouldn't you be thanking him for the
$2 gas we have today? LOL

GW Bush should be thanked for causing the recession that reduced
gasoline consumption 5% and caused its price to fall. LOL

#42

Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote in
news:gfpq2h0enk (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com:

Quote:

Tegger wrote:
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353 (AT) nlpi064 (DOT) nbdc.sbc.com:

Tegger wrote:

Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
cars.
On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.

They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
"sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.

How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite.

And which is what I originally inferred, based on the OP's phrase "kept
asking". Evidently I inferred incorrectly.

"Kept asking" the same person repeatedly is different from "kept asking"
one person after another at different locations, each one being asked only
once.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

#43

krw wrote:

Quote:

In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...
krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that.

Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.

True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc. bonds,
CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign currencies
(although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely
ignored, which called the various economic meltdowns we're currently
experiencing.

#44

Tegger wrote:

Quote:

Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote in
news:gfpq2h0enk (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com:

Tegger wrote:
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:sA2Tk.10490$Ws1.10353 (AT) nlpi064 (DOT) nbdc.sbc.com:

Tegger wrote:

Why is Honda in the subject line? Honda very specifically and
emphatically prohibits any sorts of "flushes" on any systems on their
cars.
On the TV news segment last night the undercover team used a Honda.
They kept asking the Jiffy Lube employee if the engine flush was
required, and they were told that Honda required it every x miles.

They "kept asking"? That sounds bad. It sounds like what they call a
"sting" when the cops do it. Goading the alleged bad guys into doing
something worthy of getting strung up by the nuts for.
How's that goading them? They weren't trying to push the Jiffy Lube
people to perform the flushes when the JL people said they weren't
needed, which would be entrapment, quite the opposite.

And which is what I originally inferred, based on the OP's phrase "kept
asking". Evidently I inferred incorrectly.

"Kept asking" the same person repeatedly is different from "kept asking"
one person after another at different locations, each one being asked only
once.

True.

#45

Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

krw wrote:
In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...
krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because people
aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars because
they're worried about their jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that.

Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.

True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely ignored, which called the various economic
meltdowns we're currently experiencing.

Like hell they ever did.

#46

Rod Speed wrote:

Quote:

Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote:
krw wrote:
In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...
krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because people
aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars because
they're worried about their jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that.
Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.
True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely ignored, which called the various economic
meltdowns we're currently experiencing.

Like hell they ever did.

Who's they?

10 seconds with Google proves you're full of crap.

#47

Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Rod Speed wrote:
Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> wrote:
krw wrote:
In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...
krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified
mechanics to perform service. They're going broke because
people aren't buying new cars. People aren't buying new cars
because they're worried about their jobs and because credit is
tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though
even they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0%
interest deals (and modest rebates). The availability of credit
for purchasing cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any
problems. Or should I say, any problems haven't hit the personal
credit markets. I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I
would rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or
hitting savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to
tilt the balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it
out.
Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper
than that.
Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a
3.64% rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for
2008), so I was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.
The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.
True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc.
bonds, CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign
currencies (although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books,
widely ignored, which called the various economic meltdowns we're
currently experiencing.

Like hell they ever did.

Who's they?

Schiff's books, stupid.

#48

Thus spake Tony Harding <thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com> :

Quote:

krw wrote:
In article <gfppom0dl0 (AT) news5 (DOT) newsguy.com>, thardin (AT) newsguy (DOT) com
says...
krw wrote:
In article <elmop-E8A571.07260614112008 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net>,
elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com says...
In article <t05Tk.6170$Ei5.4907 (AT) flpi143 (DOT) ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

They're not going broke because they're paying qualified mechanics to
perform service. They're going broke because people aren't buying new
cars. People aren't buying new cars because they're worried about their
jobs and because credit is tight.
read that "...and because they can't get credit anyway".
Credit is still easy, unless perhaps you're a deadbeat (though even
they seem to still get loans). The dealers have 0% interest deals
(and modest rebates). The availability of credit for purchasing
cars (or homes) has nothing to do with any problems. Or should I
say, any problems haven't hit the personal credit markets.

I'm thinking about buying a car but with a new job and house I would
rather not take any unnecessary risk with another loan or hitting
savings. The manufacturers aren't hungry enough yet to tilt the
balance. If they don't get far hungrier, I'll sit it out.
Toyota was recently pushing 0% loans - doesn't get much cheaper than
that.

Sure it does. They give me $5K and I pay cash (or finance
elsewhere).

I generally pay cash for a car, but credit was so cheap when I
bought my Accord in 06/03, I financed with Honda Finance with a 3.64%
rate. I've consistently made > 10% at Vanguard (except for 2008), so I
was happy to let Honda carry the paper on my car.

The problem is that it *is* 2008. Finding a (safe) place to stick
money is a problem.

True, but I bought my Honda in 2003 - different time.

Re: a safe place for one's money, I heard Peter Schiff (sp?) on the
radio this afternoon recommend dumping all USD based assets (inc. bonds,
CD's, etc., IOW, any USD based asset) and move into foreign currencies
(although he didn't say which ones). YMMV, of course.

It's way too late to do any currency speculation. I bought euros when
they were $.82. Sold at $1.35, as I figured it couldn't go much
higher. Bought pounds at $1.66 and sold at $1.92. Missed on the
first, did well on the second.

I'd short oil futures. December deliveries, only. OPEC could blow
things to shit in half a heartbeat.

Quote:

Schiff is an interesting guy in that he's been publishing books, widely
ignored, which called the various economic meltdowns we're currently
experiencing.

#49

On Nov 13, 2:39*am, SMS <scharf.ste... (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/flushservices.html"
The old Jiffy-Lube "wallet flush," I told them (at the door) oil & oil-

filter ---- only!!

Besides that oil chg crap, they (without my permission) removed the
cabin filter to try sell me that. I said no and then went around for
the next 2-3 months with the heater fan making noises.

NEVER Ever ----- going to Jippy-lube again.

#50

ziggie wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 13, 2:39 am, SMS <scharf.ste... (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote:
"http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/flushservices.html"
The old Jiffy-Lube "wallet flush," I told them (at the door) oil & oil-
filter ---- only!!

Besides that oil chg crap, they (without my permission) removed the
cabin filter to try sell me that. I said no and then went around for
the next 2-3 months with the heater fan making noises.

NEVER Ever ----- going to Jippy-lube again.

If they just did oil changes, then they wouldn't be so dangerous (though
they seem to be able to screw those up on occasion as well). It's the
up-selling of services that can damage the vehicle and/or that they're
not qualified to perform, that makes them so dangerous.