Re: GM still out sells all others

#31

No, that was your perception of what I actually said, asswipe

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <v9OdndrtAbJcaPrUnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

I might point out that if you are away from YOUR dealer you can obtain
warranty work at ANY GM dealership, as well

But that's not what you said, asswipe. You said, very clearly, that the
SELLING dealer is responsible for warranty work--and you made it clear
that OTHER dealers were not.

#32

On Jan 10, 12:09*pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:

I never said selling dealer ONLY. *What I tried to point out was the fact
that vehicles are warranted by the manufacturer to their DEALERS NOT to the
customer.

When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a warranty
PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact your
SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the selling
dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.

Remember: *it's better to be silent than to let people think you have a
comprehension problem,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. *

No, it does not have to go through the selling dealer. It can go
through any dealer.

And if you are correct, what do you do when a selling dealer goes out
of business?

Jeff

Quote:

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:elmop-855785.05002810012009 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net...

In article <nuudnXq_CrmIb_rUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdn... (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Like I said you are free to believe whatever you wish. I could not care
less
what anybody in a NG chooses to believe but here is the way it is, the
manufacturer
warrants the vehicle to its DEALERS, for a specific time and mileage,
period.

What? *Are you now CHANGING your bullshit? *See, the LAST time you
spewed your bullshit, it was the SELLING dealer and ONLY the SELLING
dealer. *Now your bullshit has changed to "DEALERS". *Which is it?

#33

On Jan 10, 12:18*pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

In article <_rydnabyFuwOTPXUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdn... (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
*"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Use you head dummy if the warranty was to the owner, rather than the
dealer(s,) it would be like those Extended Service plans sold by
independents, you could have the work performed by anyone and the
manufacturers would reimburse you or pay the bill. * As it is you MUST go to
a dealership

That doesn't make it a warranty to the dealership.

Are you SURE you worked in the industry for 40 years? *Hint: *mopping
the floor in the waiting room doesn't count.

There are third party service plans that dictate to whom you must take
the car for repair, just like the mfr's warranty that states you must
take it to a certain shop for covered repairs.

I think the relevant word here is "senile."

When I took my Apple computer in for service, I had to do it under the
terms of the warranty, which is to the place where Apple specified.
Fortunately, there is an Apple store about 1 block from a stop on my
subway. Although I had to follow the terms of the contract, they
warranty is between Apple and me. Likewise, the warranty for my new
car is between Ford and me. They can specify where I have to take the
car for warranty work (i.e., one of their authorized representatives,
a dealer). But, the warranty is between Ford and me. Likewise, the
warranty on a GM is between GM and the buyer.

GM has this to day about their Pontiac warranty (http://
www.pontiac.com/warranty/):

Do I have to go the Pontiac dealer where I purchased my vehicle to
have this type of work performed?

While most customers prefer to have this type of work performed at
their selling dealer, it can be performed at any Pontiac dealership.

Can I take my Pontiac to any GM dealership for warranty repairs?

These repairs must be performed by an Authorized Pontiac dealer,
except in an emergency situation when a covered part or a Pontiac
dealer is not reasonably available to the vehicle owner. It’s in your
best interest to take your Pontiac vehicle to a Pontiac dealer for all
repairs since they are the most knowledgeable about the particulars of
your vehicle.

And on this page (http://www.gm.com/experience/quality/?exist=false),
it says that the owner (not the dealer) is covered.

When you get a clue, let us know.

Jeff

Jeff

#34

In article <x5qdnfkWd43HS_XUnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:

When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a warranty
PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact your
SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the selling
dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.

Well, let's see. Having been involved on the customer end in a few of
these situations, I know for a fact you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

So let me get this straight: you're saying that if I buy a car in Maine
and three months later move to California, and three months after that
have a warranty problem that the servicing dealer in California
disputes, and I want to run it up the chain to the manufacturer's
representative...

.....that I have to trek the car back to my SELLING dealer back in MAINE?

You are clearly saying that. And I am clearly asking you to clarify
that, and you are clearly ignoring my request that you clarify that.

In other words, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And yet, despite being called out on it and proven wrong, you CONTINUE
to spew your utterly wrong garbage.

#35

Is that a trick question? Do you mean by "it," warranty work or a warranty
PROBLEM?

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Jan 10, 12:09 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:

I never said selling dealer ONLY. What I tried to point out was the fact
that vehicles are warranted by the manufacturer to their DEALERS NOT to
the
customer.

When the reference was made to calling the manufacturer about a warranty
PROBLEM, what I said was, if you do they will tell you to contact your
SELLING dealer because DISPUTED warranty claims MUST go to the selling
dealer and that is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not.

Remember: it's better to be silent than to let people think you have a
comprehension problem,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

No, it does not have to go through the selling dealer. It can go
through any dealer.

And if you are correct, what do you do when a selling dealer goes out
of business?

Jeff

Quote:

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el... (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com> wrote in
messagenews:elmop-855785.05002810012009 (AT) mara100-84 (DOT) onlink.net...

In article <nuudnXq_CrmIb_rUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdn... (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Like I said you are free to believe whatever you wish. I could not care
less
what anybody in a NG chooses to believe but here is the way it is, the
manufacturer
warrants the vehicle to its DEALERS, for a specific time and mileage,
period.

What? Are you now CHANGING your bullshit? See, the LAST time you
spewed your bullshit, it was the SELLING dealer and ONLY the SELLING
dealer. Now your bullshit has changed to "DEALERS". Which is it?

#36

Ya right!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <_rydnabyFuwOTPXUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Use you head dummy if the warranty was to the owner, rather than the
dealer(s,) it would be like those Extended Service plans sold by
independents, you could have the work performed by anyone and the
manufacturers would reimburse you or pay the bill. As it is you MUST go
to
a dealership

That doesn't make it a warranty to the dealership.

Are you SURE you worked in the industry for 40 years? Hint: mopping
the floor in the waiting room doesn't count.

There are third party service plans that dictate to whom you must take
the car for repair, just like the mfr's warranty that states you must
take it to a certain shop for covered repairs.

#37

Thus spake me <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> :

Quote:

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:16:53 -0600, Dillon Pyron
invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

Thus spake "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> :

You are free to believe whatever you wish. I cold not care less what anybody
in a NG chooses to believe but here is the way it is, the manufacturer
warrants the vehicle to its dealers, for a specific time and mileage,
period. The coverage offered is up to the manufacturer, period. Any
dealer can submit a warranty claim but if the manufacturer does not think it
is warrantable it will be charged back to the dealership that submitted the
claim, period.. Any time you call the manufacturer with a disputed
warranty claim the will TELL you to take your vehicle back to the selling
dealer, period.

That is grade A horseshit. Are you telling me that if I buy a car in
Dallas and then move to Austin, I have to take the car back to Dallas?
I think you'll find that the FTC disagrees with you. I know the State
of Texas will.

Federal Warranty Law also disagrees with him. But he won't let any of
that get in his way.

FWIW - I think you overrated his horseshit. This is grade C at best.

Hm, we have a different grading scale. I use Grade C for fertilizer.
Grade A I won't get within 15 feet of. It stinks, it's gooey and the
flies are thick.

But you're scale sounds better. Kind of like the Air Force. Airman
Third Class kisses A 2nd's ass, who in turn kisses A 1st.

Quote:

Manufacturers might warranty vehicles THROUGH the dealer, but not TO
the dealer.

If you have what you think is a warranty claim, you take it to the
dealer. If they agree (which they do by asking the manufactorer) then
you're covered. If not, THEN you go through the arbitration process.

--

- dillon I am not invalid

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

#38

Thus spake "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> :

Quote:

Thanks for helping to prove the point that manufacturers warrant their
vehicles to their dealers!

QUOTE:

"Your satisfaction and goodwill are important to 'YOUR' dealer and to

THAT is because YOUR dealer wants to make additional sales and if you
say they suck, others won't buy from them. In addtion, YOUR dealer
wants to get the service, not someone else.

Quote:

Chevrolet. NORMALLY, any concerns with the sales transaction or the

NORMALLY.

Quote:

operation of your vehicle will be resolved by your dealer's sales or service
departments. The first step is to discuss your concern with a member of
dealership management. Normally, concerns can be quickly resolved at that
level. To locate a Chevrolet dealer, please visit the Chevrolet Dealer
Locator.

WTF should I be looking for a Chevrolet dealer if I already know who
my dealer is? After all, if this is in the warranty book, it's a
little late, isn't it?

Quote:

"For more details, please visit 'your' Chevrolet dealer" END QUOTE

I might point out that if you are away from YOUR dealer you can obtain
warranty work at ANY GM dealership, as well

Okay, the closest Chevy dealer is about 6 miles away. But the best
price I've found on a Silverado (gack, but just an example) is about
20 miles away. Do I drive all the way to Hutto for warranty work?

Quote:

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message
news:uoqdm4p9ao6pe8n23aco3n05mp33bgbea8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

You are free to believe whatever you wish. I cold not care less what
anybody
in a NG chooses to believe but here is the way it is, the manufacturer
warrants the vehicle to its dealers, for a specific time and mileage,
period. The coverage offered is up to the manufacturer, period. Any
dealer can submit a warranty claim but if the manufacturer does not think
it
is warrantable it will be charged back to the dealership that submitted
the
claim, period.. Any time you call the manufacturer with a disputed
warranty claim the will TELL you to take your vehicle back to the selling
dealer, period.

That is grade A horseshit. Are you telling me that if I buy a car in
Dallas and then move to Austin, I have to take the car back to Dallas?
I think you'll find that the FTC disagrees with you. I know the State
of Texas will.

If you have what you think is a warranty claim, you take it to the
dealer. If they agree (which they do by asking the manufactorer) then
you're covered. If not, THEN you go through the arbitration process.

I filed thousands of warranty claims to just about every manufacturer and
that is the way it is, period. Anyone who says differently is not
correct,
period. If there is a dispute the vehicle owner MUST first go though the
manufacturers arbitration procedure, befor going to court as well.

The imports are the hardest, particularly Toyota, to get anything from
after
the WOF time/date, Ford the easiest

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7f596b5-4bd7-4bb9-978f-6c58b7b96da1 (AT) r13g2000vbp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 8:29 pm, Retired VIP <jackj.extradots.... (AT) windstream (DOT) net
wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:21:25 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com
wrote:

So what's your point? Everyone who reads the warranty manual knows
manufactures warrant their vehicles to their dealers. You comment
should
have been address to those that think differently

Mike, I think you've got it a little bit wrong. The manufacturer
warrants to the owner, not the dealer. If the dealer was the one who
owned the warranty, then there would be no need to transfer the
remaining factory warranty to a new buyer. If the dealer was the one
who owned the warranty, then the factory wouldn't pay any other dealer
for performing the repair and you could only take it to the dealer you
bought it from for warranty repairs.

Jack j

"Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:81ebcbc5-b4c2-4e1b-abb9-

According to Chevy (a GM brand), warranty work can be done at any
dealer, even if it is not the one that sold the car.

http://www.chevrolet.com/warranty/frequently-asked-questions/

For someone who claims he owned dealerships, you don't have a clue.

jeff

--
- dillon I am not invalid

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

--

- dillon I am not invalid

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

#39

Thus spake "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> :

Quote:

Thanks for helping to prove the point that manufacturers warrant their
vehicles to their dealers!

QUOTE:

"Your satisfaction and goodwill are important to 'YOUR' dealer and to
Chevrolet. NORMALLY, any concerns with the sales transaction or the
operation of your vehicle will be resolved by your dealer's sales or service
departments. The first step is to discuss your concern with a member of
dealership management. Normally, concerns can be quickly resolved at that
level. To locate a Chevrolet dealer, please visit the Chevrolet Dealer
Locator.

"For more details, please visit 'your' Chevrolet dealer" END QUOTE

I might point out that if you are away from YOUR dealer you can obtain
warranty work at ANY GM dealership, as well

I am reading DIRECTLY from the warranty manual for my 08 Fit.

"You should take your vehicle along with proof of the purchase date to
a Honda automobile dealer during normal service hours. If the
warranty claim is for a replacement part of accessorty that was
originally installed by a Honda dealer, also bring proof of the
vehicle's mileage at the time of installation."

It further goes to say that if the car can't be driven, contact the
nearest Honda dealer for towing, and that I won't have to pay.

And it explains how to get reimbursed for emergency repairs from other
than Honda dealers.

Note: A HONDA AUTOMOBILE DEALER. Not the one you bought the car
from.

Quote:

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message
news:uoqdm4p9ao6pe8n23aco3n05mp33bgbea8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

You are free to believe whatever you wish. I cold not care less what
anybody
in a NG chooses to believe but here is the way it is, the manufacturer
warrants the vehicle to its dealers, for a specific time and mileage,
period. The coverage offered is up to the manufacturer, period. Any
dealer can submit a warranty claim but if the manufacturer does not think
it
is warrantable it will be charged back to the dealership that submitted
the
claim, period.. Any time you call the manufacturer with a disputed
warranty claim the will TELL you to take your vehicle back to the selling
dealer, period.

That is grade A horseshit. Are you telling me that if I buy a car in
Dallas and then move to Austin, I have to take the car back to Dallas?
I think you'll find that the FTC disagrees with you. I know the State
of Texas will.

If you have what you think is a warranty claim, you take it to the
dealer. If they agree (which they do by asking the manufactorer) then
you're covered. If not, THEN you go through the arbitration process.

I filed thousands of warranty claims to just about every manufacturer and
that is the way it is, period. Anyone who says differently is not
correct,
period. If there is a dispute the vehicle owner MUST first go though the
manufacturers arbitration procedure, befor going to court as well.

The imports are the hardest, particularly Toyota, to get anything from
after
the WOF time/date, Ford the easiest

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7f596b5-4bd7-4bb9-978f-6c58b7b96da1 (AT) r13g2000vbp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 8:29 pm, Retired VIP <jackj.extradots.... (AT) windstream (DOT) net
wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:21:25 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com
wrote:

So what's your point? Everyone who reads the warranty manual knows
manufactures warrant their vehicles to their dealers. You comment
should
have been address to those that think differently

Mike, I think you've got it a little bit wrong. The manufacturer
warrants to the owner, not the dealer. If the dealer was the one who
owned the warranty, then there would be no need to transfer the
remaining factory warranty to a new buyer. If the dealer was the one
who owned the warranty, then the factory wouldn't pay any other dealer
for performing the repair and you could only take it to the dealer you
bought it from for warranty repairs.

Jack j

"Jeff" <jeff.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:81ebcbc5-b4c2-4e1b-abb9-

According to Chevy (a GM brand), warranty work can be done at any
dealer, even if it is not the one that sold the car.

http://www.chevrolet.com/warranty/frequently-asked-questions/

For someone who claims he owned dealerships, you don't have a clue.

jeff

--
- dillon I am not invalid

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

--

- dillon I am not invalid

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true.
Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which
will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no
matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

#40

Ya right! A warranty is a contract with the dealer, with specific language.
A dealer can repair you gas engine if you mistakenly use diesel fuel, but
the manufacturer will tell you your warranty was voided when you did that
and they will not reimburse the dealer.

An ingredient label is certainly not the recipe one can hardly duplicate
what is in that bottle by knowing the ingredients LOL

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop (AT) nastydesigns (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <d0fkm45t6o06h11a413qr7sm9n0ks56c0f (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

Thanks for helping to prove the point that manufacturers warrant their
vehicles to their dealers!

QUOTE:

"Your satisfaction and goodwill are important to 'YOUR' dealer and to

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kf/recipes/creamy-pasta-primavera-90958.aspx

If this recipe is on the back of Kraft's Light Zesty Italian Dressing,
it will definitely tell you to use Philadelphia Neufchatel Cheese and
Kraft Grated Parmesan cheese.

In My Cunter's world, that is an absolute. The recipe simply cannot be
made without those Kraft ingredients, because the recipe specified those
ingredients.

In the real world, we know that Kraft is simply trying to get you to buy
more Kraft products, and that I don't need ANY Kraft products to make
this recipe.

Of COURSE they're going to word things to lead easily suggestible people
back to spend more money. My Cunter, who was "in the business" for 40
years, though--he disputes that. He says it cannot be any other way
than what's worded.