Re: Import owners are to blame for the recession

#41

You made the claim. That means you have the information available to show
us. If you do not show it, it's because you're being childish.

The other possibility is that you do NOT have the information, never had it,
never saw it, and your tax comments were pulled outta your ass. Yeah. That's
the real story.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

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Do your own homework

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 10:35 am, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
You as an American taxpayer should consider the fact Japanese
corporations
do not pay US federal Corporate income taxes on the profits earned in the
US. Chrysler, on the other hand, when it was a German Corporation DID pay
US federal Corporate income taxes on the profits made on the Chryslers
sold
in the US. Tax laws between the US and Europe and the US and Japan are
not the same.

As to the Chevy Suburban, Honda, comparison the Suburban uses 85%
American
parts and the Honda uses far less and I doubt the poster owned both

Please provide real evidence that the Japanese companies don't pay
taxes in the US.

Jeff

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"Marko" <tr... (AT) army (DOT) mil> wrote:

"AJL" wrote:

My Chevy Suburban was made in Mexico. My Honda was made in the USA.
Both have parts made all over the world. What exactly is an American
car?

Honda is japanese company registered in Japan...

So when Chrysler was a German company registered in Germany it wasn't
an American car?

#42

Are you referring to all of the American made Toyotas that are built with
'world sourced parts' or the over 55% of the Toyotas that they import?
LOL

"Willy" <wesk (AT) prodigy (DOT) net> wrote

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buydomestic (AT) usa (DOT) com> wrote in message
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If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
from the Big Three and take our economy back.

Only one problem with your theory, that being that a large percentage of
American cars are NOT being made in America.

Wes

#43

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

Quote:

Do your own search of the US Department of Commerce site and see for
yourself.

That information is not available from the US Commerce Department Web
Site.

Ed

#44

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

Quote:

Do your own homework

Ah yes, your usual response when people call you out for making stuff
up.

Ed

#45

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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Toyota sells more cars in the US than GM.

Actually this is not true. Even if you follow the practice of
including all SUVs and Crossovers in the light truck category, GM sold
more "cars" in the US than Toyota through November of this year:

Total US GM Car Sales: 1,118,208 (all divisions, including SAAB)
Total US Toyota Car Sales (all divisions, including Lexus): 1,108,123

If you include all vehicles, GM is way ahead in US sales (2,412,666 to
1,793,302)

This data is from the Automotive New.

Ed

#46

"Jeff" <jeff.utz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Dec 9, 2:17 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Quote:

You seem to be confused, buyer have always CHOSEN to buy what they
buy. The
Ford F150 has been, for thirty one years and is still today, the
number one
selling vehicle in the US. The F150 has always sold for the most
part at a
rate nearly twice that of the best selling car.

Yet, this year, Toyota sold about 400,000 Camries, and Ford sold
about
500,000 F-series trucks. I suspect that Ford actually sold fewer
F-150s than Toyota sold Camries this year.

Through Novemeber Ford sold 392,698 F Series Trucks (this includes all
F series, not just F150s) and Toyota sold 355,562 Camrys (includes all
models, US assembled and imported from Japan, including hybrids, and
Solara). I think it is possible, even likely that Toyota sold more
Camrys of all types than Ford sold "F150's."

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While Toyota had to shut
down its brand new Tundra plant built by the taxpayers of Texas,
because of
dismal sales, Ford had to add two shifts to one of its F150 plants
and a
second shift to another.

While it shut down other F-150 plants as well as other plants. The
Michigan 3 are cutting jobs.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-to-add-shift-to-f-150-plant.html
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2008/163_news081103_ford_adding_shift_at_dearborn_plant _to_support_2009_f150/index.html
http://www.autonews.com/article/20081204/ANA02/812049976/1181
http://www.automotiveworld.com/WAM/content.asp?contentid=73176
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/toyota-not-restart-tundra-production/story.aspx?guid=%7BA1D31D05-B4CE-4348-97D9-672F1AE058F7%7D
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20080712a2.html

Ed

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"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpy... (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message

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Thus spake buydomes... (AT) usa (DOT) com :

If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be
rockin
and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and
Honda
manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over
50,000
engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into
thinking
that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we
buy
from the Big Three and take our economy back.

Right. Like I want a Burb or an F150. Detroit pissed away their
survival years ago when they decided that they could sell low
mileage,
high margin trucks. Now they're paying the price for looking at
today
and ignoring tomorrow.

#47

Mike Hunter wrote:

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my engineering degree is in metallurgy and I worked in industry for thirty years.

Then this may interest you, especially if you plan to vacation in
China:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/top10-2008/index7.html
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Shanghai’s futuristic skyline—the city has more than 900 high-rises,
with hundreds more under construction—is one of the most potent
symbols of China’s economic rise. But the materials undergirding all
that growth might be shakier than anyone can imagine. In March, the
English-language Shanghai Daily reported that fully half of the steel
sold to construction companies in Shanghai’s wholesale markets failed
basic quality tests. Nearly a quarter of the tested samples failed
tension tests, meaning structures built with them would not be able to
withstand earthquakes and would be more likely to decay over time.

Of the 52 batches of steel tested by the Shanghai Industrial and
Commercial Administrative Bureau, 27 were too light to meet China’s
legal standards. Some batches were nearly five times lighter than the
legal standard, meaning that they were less than the weight of iron,
steel’s primary ingredient. “If your steel is less than the weight of
iron, that’s pretty incredible,” says Christopher Earls, professor of
civil engineering at Cornell University. “That means you’re replacing
the iron with something else, so what you have isn’t really steel at
all.”

#48

C. E. White wrote:

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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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Do your own homework

Ah yes, your usual response when people call you out for making stuff up.

At least this time Mike didn't boast, in his usual third person, of
course, of being too busy and more important than the other person to
search for the information. He's sort of like this guy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Foghorn_Leghorn.png

You know -- "Ah say, ah say, don't bother me with the facts, boy!"

#49

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:57 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com>
wrote:

Quote:

You seem to be confused, buyer have always CHOSEN to buy what they buy. The
Ford F150 has been, for thirty one years and is still today, the number one
selling vehicle in the US. The F150 has always sold for the most part at a
rate nearly twice that of the best selling car. While Toyota had to shut
down its brand new Tundra plant built by the taxpayers of Texas, because of
dismal sales, Ford had to add two shifts to one of its F150 plants and a
second shift to another.

You seem to have forgotten that this summer Civics, Corollas, Camrys
and Accords were all outselling F150s. The Urban Idiot Cowboys stop
buying pickups when gas is above $3.50.

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"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message
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Thus spake buydomestic (AT) usa (DOT) com :

If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
from the Big Three and take our economy back.

Right. Like I want a Burb or an F150. Detroit pissed away their
survival years ago when they decided that they could sell low mileage,
high margin trucks. Now they're paying the price for looking at today
and ignoring tomorrow.

#50

Can't prove that by me. Since I stopped buying foreign cars I have owned a
dozen or so Ford Motor Company vehicles. I have not ever had a single
problem with any ot them.

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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"me" <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote in message
All that said though, it's not actual quality that is the issue. It's
the public perception of quality. They have a long way to go before
they start to gain a reputation for quality though and they've had
some big missteps that have reduced that reputation back the starting
point for many buyers. The general public's perception, based on many
years of Ford producing low quality cars, is still one of poor quality
products.

If you keep getting burned over and over again, you learn not to put your
hand on a hot stove.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon