Re: More on the bailout

#11

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:26:25 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
quality surveys?

I have seen the Consumer Reports Survey which shows that Toyota and
Honda are far more reliable than anything made by the "Big Three".
(Hard to call them the Big Three when Chrysler ranks fifth in sales.)

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Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
imports with only 4cy engines?

That's nice, if questionably true. But GM and Ford would already be
in liquidation if it had to rely on those cars. The only thing that
has kept them floating over the last decade has been the 10-12 mpg
dinosaurs that are on the brink of extinction.

GM just put a hold on the factory which was supposed to build the
vaporware Volt. What does that say?

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I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
there's not gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

#12

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:04:33 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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You mean like making the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy so they outsold ALL of the import brands,

Toyota is outselling Ford in the US.
Honda is outselling Chrysler in the US.
Toyota is outselling GM worldwide and threatening them in the US.
Honda is closing in on Ford.
At least two of the Big Three need a government handout or they will
be dead within a month or so.

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who
also started to make the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy, over the past ten years of so that is also
now doing in the imports?

If those SUVs were such success, why have the Big Three been steadily
losing market share for the past three decades?

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Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

#13

If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

If Jap vehicles are so good where are all of the old Jap cars? If you go
to old car shows you will hardly ever see and old Jap car.

Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them than
ANY of the Japs?

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote

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So if I say the same thing about a crappy Toyota and Mazda that family
members owned that didnt hold what exactly does that tell you especially
when I have an American car that runs and looks great going on 146k miles,
or a 82 Dodge I had that I put 180k miles on with regular maintenance? It
lasted a lot longer than the 83 Toyota Camery.

#14

Don't you wish you still owned it? Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being offered
at old car auctions?

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote

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I had a 69 Plymouth Road Runner, at 130k miles I could still leave a patch
of rubber 15feet long.

#15

Gas was what, 39C a gallon and a tire we $39? LOL

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0500, Mark A cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I had a 69 Plymouth RoadRunner, at 130k miles I could still leave a
patch
of rubber 15feet long.

How much gas do you use for that stunt? How much petroleum (used to make
tires) do you just waste?

78 gallons through the carburator, and thirty two barrels off the tires.
But it sure was fun in those days...

If the Big3 go out of business, you will get exactly what you deserve.

Yeah - all of us guys that were around back then, burning rubber off our
tires and guzzeling up gas for the fun of feeling real power and
acceleration - we now must face the realization that we are the
fundamental
downfall of the US auto industry.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#16

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

What an idiotic statement!

Where did you get the insane notion that people never switch from
owning an import to owning a domestic and visa versa?

#17

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:05:03 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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Don't you wish you still owned it? Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions.

Simply supply and demand. Most of the RRers stopped operating decades
ago and are quite rare. Who the fuck would pay $100,000 for a honda
civic when there are still millions of them still on the roads?

#18

THAT was an insane notion. If the vehicle you owned was a good one, WHY
would you?

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3 (AT) PremoveOBthisOX (DOT) COM> wrote

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com
wrote:
If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

What an idiotic statement!

Where did you get the insane notion that people never switch from
owning an import to owning a domestic and visa versa?

#19

Perhaps, but not ANY 69s LOL

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3 (AT) PremoveOBthisOX (DOT) COM> wrote

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:05:03 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com
wrote:
Don't you wish you still owned it? Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners
are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions.

Simply supply and demand. Most of the RRers stopped operating decades
ago and are quite rare. Who the fuck would pay $100,000 for a honda
civic when there are still millions of them still on the roads?

#20

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:21:06 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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THAT was an insane notion. If the vehicle you owned was a good one, WHY
would you?

You would if you were capable of understanding that automakers make
more than one model.

Somebody owning a honda civic might very well trade it in on a GM truck
if they were interested in hauling a big ass boat.

Or they might trade it in on a honking big SUV if they had a tiny penis like
you.

That same person might trade their honking big SUV for a toyota tercel
two years later when they noticed that gas was $4/gallon.

It goes both ways.

Look in ANY car lot and you'll see both domestic and imported cars.