Re: More on the bailout

#31

What dismal performance? Do you live in a cave in Afghanistan? GM
outsells every other manufacturer in the US

"me" <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote

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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:20:45 -0800 (PST), "rantonrave (AT) mail (DOT) com"
rantonrave (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Frankly the U.S. auto bureaucracy hasn't
attracted the smartest people in the world, unlike Japan's auto
industry or the U.S. semiconductor and biomedical businesses.

When GM does attract talent, they drive them off the board quickly.
Innovation is not favored at GM. One has to assume that they mentality
pervades management on down the line (making their dismal performance
easy to understand).

#32

What part of "If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on
domestics? Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap
cars and trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles," do you not
understand? LOL

"me" <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:41:18 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Get real, you don't know what you are talking about. I spent my last ten
years in the business as Group Sales Manager for one of the largest
mega-dealership groups on the east cost that operated in six states. NO
new car dealership worth its salt BUYS used cars, they MUST retail or
wholesale their used cars within three months so as not to tie up capital.

Where did I say anything about dealers buying used cars? I said that
the Jap dealers wholesale out anything that doesn't match what their
buyers want i.e. Japanese cars. The GM dealers, sensing that their
buyers want foreign cars, keep/sell their trades on their lot, even
Japanese cars, instead of wholesaling them, because they know they
will sell. Try reading more carefully.

If a dealership NEEDS to buy used cars they are not selling enough NEW
cars.
When the partners were looking to buy a another dealership, with growth
potential, the first thing they had me look for those that were buying
USED
cars at the Manheim auctions

Again, this has nothing to do with my post.

If we traded an 'off brand,' say a Toyota or Honda, at one of our domestic
dealerships we moved it to one of our Toyota or Honda stores, where we
could
make more profit off of the buyers. Why, because WE thought they were
better cars? No, we did it because our import buyers THOUGHT they were
better cars and we could get more out of the import buyers

Perhaps you should re-read what YOU wrote then: "If Jap vehicles are
so good why are the owners trading them on domestics? Look on the GM
and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and trucks that
were traded on GM and Ford vehicles."

#33

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:05 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com>
wrote:

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What dismal performance? Do you live in a cave in Afghanistan? GM
outsells every other manufacturer in the US

What dismal performance? Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that they
would be out of business by now if the US government weren't bailing
them out.

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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:20:45 -0800 (PST), "rantonrave (AT) mail (DOT) com"
rantonrave (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Frankly the U.S. auto bureaucracy hasn't
attracted the smartest people in the world, unlike Japan's auto
industry or the U.S. semiconductor and biomedical businesses.

When GM does attract talent, they drive them off the board quickly.
Innovation is not favored at GM. One has to assume that they mentality
pervades management on down the line (making their dismal performance
easy to understand).

#34

Gordon McGrew wrote:

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:21:06 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

THAT was an insane notion. If the vehicle you owned was a good one, WHY
would you?

Why don't you ask GM owners that question? GM's market share has
dropped from 50% to 22%.

But GM still sells more cars than Toyota!
But GM still sells more cars in the US than Toyota!
But GM still sells more cars that get over 30 MPG than Toyota!
But GM still sells more V6s and V8s than Toyota!

#35

Mike Hunter wrote:

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As to old cars shows, I attend shows all over the east cost and the ONLY Jap
cars I see are an occasional low mileage RX7 or "Z." On the other hand a
see plenty of domestic, British and European cars, even Italian cars, from
the seventies at those shows

That's proof enough of British and Italian car companies still being

better than the Japanese!

#36

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

As to old cars shows, I attend shows all over the east cost and the ONLY Jap
cars I see are an occasional low mileage RX7 or "Z." On the other hand a
see plenty of domestic, British and European cars, even Italian cars, from
the seventies at those shows

That's proof enough of British and Italian car companies still being

better than the Japanese!

#37

Gordon McGrew wrote:

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

That is an anecdotal report, at best. Since Import brands are taking
more market share every year, it is obvious that more people are
trading domestics for imports than the other way around.

If Jap vehicles are so good where are all of the old Jap cars? If you go
to old car shows you will hardly ever see and old Jap car.

If you go to a domestic car dealer, you may find they have closed
their doors.

Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them than
ANY of the Japs?

If GM sales are so great, why are they threatening to declare
bankruptcy?

"I declare bankruptcy!": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuGIgf-ICHM

#38

Chevrolet no longer sell 1995 models. Just like the imports do not sell
the crappie cars they sold years ago.

Every manufacturer today is selling great long lasting vehicles that can
easily be run up to 150,000 miles or more trouble free, if given the proper
preventive maintenance. The only real difference we found among them in my
fleet service business is style and price.

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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I would love to be able to buy a Chevy again, but I can't afford a car
that wants to be in the shop all the time. My last Chevy (1995) was a
real shop queen, and the shop wouldn't fix it. And things started rusting
before the first year was up. My current life won't tolerate that.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

#39

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:48:58 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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Chevrolet no longer sell 1995 models. Just like the imports do not sell
the crappie cars they sold years ago.

I've heard of Barracudas and Mako Sharks, but never a Crappie. Who
made it?

Quote:

Every manufacturer today is selling great long lasting vehicles that can
easily be run up to 150,000 miles or more trouble free, if given the proper
preventive maintenance.

But the typical vintage of a car hitting 150K today is 1995 or maybe a
little newer. If you are conceding that 1995 GM cars were crappy, how
would you know that the 2009 are good for 150K?

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The only real difference we found among them in my
fleet service business is style and price.

Yadda yadda. The question to you, Mike, is: Should we give taxpayer
money to GM, Ford and Chrysler?

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I would love to be able to buy a Chevy again, but I can't afford a car
that wants to be in the shop all the time. My last Chevy (1995) was a
real shop queen, and the shop wouldn't fix it. And things started rusting
before the first year was up. My current life won't tolerate that.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

#40

"Gordon McGrew" <gRmEcMgOrVeEw (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:48:58 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

Chevrolet no longer sell 1995 models. Just like the imports do not sell
the crappie cars they sold years ago.

I've heard of Barracudas and Mako Sharks, but never a Crappie. Who
made it?

Every manufacturer today is selling great long lasting vehicles that can
easily be run up to 150,000 miles or more trouble free, if given the
proper
preventive maintenance.

But the typical vintage of a car hitting 150K today is 1995 or maybe a
little newer. If you are conceding that 1995 GM cars were crappy, how
would you know that the 2009 are good for 150K?

The only real difference we found among them in my
fleet service business is style and price.

Yadda yadda. The question to you, Mike, is: Should we give taxpayer
money to GM, Ford and Chrysler?

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I would love to be able to buy a Chevy again, but I can't afford a car
that wants to be in the shop all the time. My last Chevy (1995) was a
real shop queen, and the shop wouldn't fix it. And things started
rusting
before the first year was up. My current life won't tolerate that.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

That's one of the reasons I finally ploinked Mike. I'm not listening
because he keeps repeating the same old stuff over and over again. My
experience is 'not valid'. He's as much as called me a hillbilly. He also
thinks every red-blooded American ought to lust after a full sized American
Land Yacht, and actually feels pity for anyone who 'can't afford one'. He
thinks he's smart, but he's not as smart as Henry Ford.

Sir Charles of Curmudgeon