Re: More on the bailout

#1

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:33:38 -0600, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
<n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to quality
or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field, there's not
gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

]

You are an ass.

#2

Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
quality surveys? Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
imports with only 4cy engines?

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
there's not gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

#3

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:25:31 -0500, "Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Were it not for this recession/depression thing we've got going, the
ass kicking by Detroit would be pretty obvious. The two best selling
vehicles in the US were made by Ford and GM.

#4

"Ashton Crusher" <demi (AT) moore (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:33:38 -0600, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:494d1c7a$1$1548$822641b3 (AT) news (DOT) adtechcomputers.com...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
quality
or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field, there's
not
gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

]
You are an ass.

No, you are a major liberal ASS, and you can go to HELL, as well as Plonk,
liberal bastard. You should be sent to Cuba to live the rest of your life
in the People's Paridise.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

#5

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

Quote:

Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
quality surveys? Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to
fuel economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good
as imports with only 4cy engines?

"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality
and not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
there's not gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

I know what I've seen. 14 years ago I bought a brand new American pickup.
10 years ago, I dumped it, literally. Quailty hadn't gone up since the
1960's as a matter of fact I had MORE problems with the newer American
vehicle. I currently own a Toyota of the same age as the American vehicle I
dumped in 1998. I don' t have problems with the engine or the body, at
least not yet. I did with the Chevy and it was less than 4 years old.
American manufactures want their car to be less desirable so owners will buy
a new one quicker. This is part of the DNA of the American carmakers.
They're not going to ever give that up.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not buying a Detroit-3 vehicle ever again. And NEVER a F***ed Over
Rebuilt Dodge.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

#6

Naw, they will simply lower the wages of the good old boys over time
compared to the union workers.

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

#7

You mean like making the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy so they outsold ALL of the import brands, who
also started to make the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy, over the past ten years of so that is also
now doing in the imports?

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

#8

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote

Quote:

You mean like making the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy so they outsold ALL of the import brands,
who also started to make the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs
that American buyers WANTED to buy, over the past ten years of so that is
also now doing in the imports?

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

If that's the America you live in, Mike, your America deserves another Great
Depression. And the Detroit-3 deserve to go belly up.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

#9

Based on the crap you cross post to the NGs, is it any wonder NOBODY would
ask your opinion about ANYTHING?

Hell you would have had them building small and midget cars for the past ten
years and Americans didn't want to buy any manufactures small cars. Even
the impost knew that much that is why ALL the imports cars and trucks got
BIGGER LOL

"Gosi" <gosinn (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On 20 Dec, 19:45, "Rock Hardson" <RH... (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote:

I could have saved GM many times over a long time ago. I still could given
the means but I do not see anyone asking me to do so.

#10

Mike Hunter wrote:

Quote:

Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
quality surveys? Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
imports with only 4cy engines?

So why can't we honestly say all of them beat the foreign brands, as

was once could?