Changing ATF on my accord is really fast - just change it after driving
for 20 miles or so to get it hot - turn the wheel all the way to the
right and there is the ATF drain plug - a 3/8" drive fits into the
square drive hole - tap the end of the socket wrench to break it loose.
ATF really gets hot and it tends to gush out - will severely burn you
- I just keep turning till it comes out and pull my hand away.

With regard to tranny flushes - I doubt they get all of the flush fluid
out of your tranny - I would guess this stuff is little more than
kerosene with something in it to color it or make it smell like
something else.

Flushing is probably a bad idea if the flushing fluid is anything but
the recommended ATF for that tranny.

I change my honda ATF at 30K - the recommended interval of 70K is too
long - got a warning light after first 60K and I only do highway
driving.

butch burton wrote:

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(power) flushing is actually forbidden by Honda, since the internal
filter will get back-flushed throughout the tranny when the boob at
Monkey Lube hooks the hoses up wrong. Murphy was right . . .

Honda's Z1 is the only acceptable ATF to use, otherwise you spend a
bunch of money later replacing the Dexron with Z1 (or replacing the
tranny). :-(

'Curly'

warlock162 Wrote:
Jiffy lubes do not have a very good tract record on transmission
service.
Lot of them use the same barrell of fluid fit all with a bottle of dope
stuff.
DIY it or Dealer or A good repair shop.
As said Honda uses special fluid and sometimes special service
procedures.
MT


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warlock162 wrote:

For **** sake, use either a trusted dealer or a trusted independent
mechanic. Have a look at this before you go to a Jiffy Lube type place:

http://www.nbc4.tv/mechanicinvestigation/index.html

John

warlock162 wrote:

BTW, if you go to a Jiffy Lube and they actually do the work they will

1) Use a "universal" fluid, not the correct Honda fluid.

and

2) Use a machine flush and solvent, which Honda says not to do.

John

Earle Horton wrote:


99.99% odds they will use the wrong stuff.

Why anyone goes to these places is a mystery to me.

"There's a sucker born every minute."

John

dold (AT) XReXXTrans (DOT) usenet.us.com wrote:

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Both of them probably didn't use the correct fluid either. Most chain
stores use some BS universal transmission fluid and not the correct one
for the vehicle. For modern vehicles, GM uses Dexron III, Ford Mercon
V, Chrysler D4, and most others also have proprietary fluids.

Find a good dealer or an independent SPECIALIST to service your cars.

John

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Indeed it is easy, but more time consuming that simply hooking up a
magic machine. That of course is why most shops love to sell the
machine service.

Personally I use the factory method with a pair of wheel ramps, a
wrench, a funnel, a drain pain and a bit of my own time. Takes less
than an hour start to finish. It would take me longer to drive to a
shop, wait, then drive back home. Some people ask me why I take the
time to do my own work. I ask them how they can afford to waste the
time of having it done for them.

John

IMHO the wheel ramps are not necessary for changing the ATF on an
accord - just turn the wheels all the way to the left and get down on
your belly and there is the ATF drain plug.

When people get trannies power flushed with that machine - I always
wondered how much of the power flush solvent gets left in the tranny -
that has got to cause problems.

High ATF prices are supposedly one of the reasons DC minivans have big
tranny problems - quick change places use a low priced ATF - 3 to 5K
later - KACHING - new tranny time.

butch burton wrote:
I will have to give that a try!

Thanks!
John