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Shell
 
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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-28-2006 , 10:43 PM






Their you go being logical again, Damn You.


"Merrill P. L. Worthington" <mplw (AT) us (DOT) ibm.com> wrote

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David Reininger wrote:
Mark B wrote:

Hmmmmm Could it be because their was no money changing hands for the
exposure? Are these companies that other areas of the Hulman Company
does business with and were just doing them a favor by putting them on a
car? Could be a simple mix up but I kind of doubt it. If it were just
a mix up it would have been missing the sponsorship of a team or two and
not that many. We probably won't ever know but its an interesting
question.



When you checked the offcial entry list or the box score
it lists the official entry of the car, along with its name.

When Penske enters their cars, they enter the Marlboro
Team Penske Dallara or the XYZ team enters the 'Polylube
XYZ Special.' That is how the car is put on the official
entry list or box score.

As you might imagine, there is a deadline for filing
the official name of the entry.

It's too bad Allan Pagan isn't here to give the full
details on this because I'm going off the top of my head.

There are sponsors who are very much aware of this deadline
and insist that the deal is consumated before the deadline
so the sponsor's name will appear as part of the official
entry.

Other sponsors miss the deadline, either because the deal came
together too late or they didn't care or know about the deadline.

As I remember the deadline, it gave the Speedway enough time to
paint the pit wall with the driver's name and name of the entry.

I apologize if this is a bit rambling. Commuting from San Francisco
to Washington DC has taken its toll this morning.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure this is the EXACT explanation. That would explain how
some of the rookies that buy their way into the field in back-up cars get
entries at thte last minute.







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Merrill P. L. Worthington
 
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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-28-2006 , 10:51 PM







Sorry. I forgot that I was answering Dyno Dave. I should know better
than to try logic.



Shell wrote:

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Their you go being logical again, Damn You.


"Merrill P. L. Worthington" <mplw (AT) us (DOT) ibm.com> wrote in message
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David Reininger wrote:

Mark B wrote:


Hmmmmm Could it be because their was no money changing hands for the
exposure? Are these companies that other areas of the Hulman Company
does business with and were just doing them a favor by putting them on a
car? Could be a simple mix up but I kind of doubt it. If it were just
a mix up it would have been missing the sponsorship of a team or two and
not that many. We probably won't ever know but its an interesting
question.



When you checked the offcial entry list or the box score
it lists the official entry of the car, along with its name.

When Penske enters their cars, they enter the Marlboro
Team Penske Dallara or the XYZ team enters the 'Polylube
XYZ Special.' That is how the car is put on the official
entry list or box score.

As you might imagine, there is a deadline for filing
the official name of the entry.

It's too bad Allan Pagan isn't here to give the full
details on this because I'm going off the top of my head.

There are sponsors who are very much aware of this deadline
and insist that the deal is consumated before the deadline
so the sponsor's name will appear as part of the official
entry.

Other sponsors miss the deadline, either because the deal came
together too late or they didn't care or know about the deadline.

As I remember the deadline, it gave the Speedway enough time to
paint the pit wall with the driver's name and name of the entry.

I apologize if this is a bit rambling. Commuting from San Francisco
to Washington DC has taken its toll this morning.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure this is the EXACT explanation. That would explain how
some of the rookies that buy their way into the field in back-up cars get
entries at thte last minute.









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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-28-2006 , 11:23 PM



And it is by giving away free sponser recognition that will be the doom
of the IRL. That is a basic HUGE error by a desperate man. Even the
worst student of economics understands that if you give it away for free
even once you lower the value of the product forever somtimes to the
point that NO ONE will ever pay to sponser again because they know if
they hold out they will get it for free.

BTW Great on Walmart the cheapest company in the history of the world
for getting involved with Tide to place there names on a Champ Car I
will be shopping there way more then i used to because if you are
willing to spend the bucks I will spend mine in thanks.

Tide for my laundry walmart is where I will buy it.

Shell wrote:
Quote:
Exactly as I posted somewhere else. These "sponsors" aren't paying for
sponsorship. They are just having their names placed on the sidepods because
they have some affiliation with the speedway.
<SNIP>


.. The company is basically getting free
Quote:
exposure at Tony George's expense. I'm sure that those companies don't mind
doing business that way.



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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 02:08 AM



Maple1 aerophoto (AT) shaw (DOT) ca wrote:

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Tide for my laundry walmart is where I will buy it.
But you'll have to drive to Quebec! Wal Mart and Tide in Quebec are the ones
who sponsored it!



I'm a fan of Andrew Ranger, and I enjoy watching the Grand AM races with
Canada's Michael Valiante (from BC?). He was excellent in the Atlantic
series a few years back.

With any luck, he'll be in Champ Car one day.

10 years ago the "ladder series" were really piss poor because the money was
being sucked into the major series. Now there's been a shift where the
ladder series have been supported by the sponsors of the bigger ones.

I really enjoy watching Atlantic and Star Mazda, where years ago there was
nothing. Before that there was Indy Lights and Atlantic.

It's back to that standard now, except for that the races are full of cars
and they're worth watching all on their own.







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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 08:21 AM




Quote:
Oh, yeah. I'm sure this is the EXACT explanation. That would explain
how some of the rookies that buy their way into the field in back-up
cars get entries at thte last minute.
I wasn't talking about making a entry. I was talking
about changing or adding the official name of the
entry so the painters would have it right for the
pit wall.

Allan had me do it one year and I had to fill out a
card with boxes for each letter. It was the official
name of the entry and there were only X number of spaces
on the entry because there was only so much space to paint the
driver's name and entry name on the pit wall.

The car had been entered prior to the start of official
practice.








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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 08:23 AM



Shell wrote:
Quote:
Exactly as I posted somewhere else. These "sponsors" aren't paying for
sponsorship. They are just having their names placed on the sidepods because
they have some affiliation with the speedway.
How did you manage to make that leap?



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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 08:39 AM



Merrill P. L. Worthington wrote:

Quote:
Oh, yeah. I'm sure this is the EXACT explanation. That would explain
how some of the rookies that buy their way into the field in back-up
cars get entries at thte last minute.
Exactly.

As you point out, the back up cars are entered in the race.

It may be entered as the Team XYZ No. 67 T.

That car, which is entered, can have it's official entry
changed to become the Fortune 500 Team XYZ car
prior to a certain deadline. The car can then be assigned
a different number.

When Team Leader entered their car the deal for
sponsorship had not been finalized.

Prior to the deadline for changing the NAME of the
entry, the car became the Effen Vodka Team
Leader Special.

Please explain how this translates to the sponsorship
deal being free.






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David Reininger
 
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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 08:40 AM



Maple1 wrote:
Quote:
And it is by giving away free sponser recognition that will be the doom
of the IRL.
And giving free sposnosrship to McDonalds at the Tasman
team did what?

How much did McDonalds pay this year and what happened
to Tasman?



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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 08:54 AM



Carey Akin cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net wrote:

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"Peter Craig" <pcraig580 (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote in message
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An appropriate remark if it was posted in the right group.

RASI ===> That Way.

You are right. There are far more over there. We get a few over here,
though.

Bubba knows racing. I like the Chevy with the big number on it so I can tell
who's driving, the one that drives in circles. The one that's identical to
the one in my driveway, except that they can change the tires faster, it's
got a lot of paint on it and the noises are louder.

Bubba in Gooberville



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Default Re: Blank Sidepods - 08-29-2006 , 09:29 AM



Mark B wrote:
Quote:
David Reininger wrote:


Oh, yeah. I'm sure this is the EXACT explanation. That would
explain how some of the rookies that buy their way into the field in
back-up cars get entries at thte last minute.


I wasn't talking about making a entry. I was talking
about changing or adding the official name of the
entry so the painters would have it right for the
pit wall.

Allan had me do it one year and I had to fill out a
card with boxes for each letter. It was the official
name of the entry and there were only X number of spaces
on the entry because there was only so much space to paint the
driver's name and entry name on the pit wall.

The car had been entered prior to the start of official
practice.



That still wouldn't explain why the speedway wouldn't list a sponsor on
the results page of its website.

The boxscore lists the official name of the car.



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