David Reininger wrote:
the results page of its website.

Shell wrote:

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Sorry, let me compose myself.


Thank you.


Shouldn't this conversation be directed at OWRS?

I'd go with your argument for most of the sidepods in
OWRS but not in the IRL. Indeck, Sonny's Barbecue and
Aussie Wines are also owned by, or have direct relationships
with the respective OWRS team owners. Dale Coyne
owns a couple of Sonny's Barbecue troughs, in case
you weren't aware. Yes, they are there to take up
otherwise blank space.

On the other hand you have McDonald's, CDW, Bell
Micro, Muermans, Curacao and Gulfstream. That's it.

We now McDonalds was brought to CART as a freebie
with Tasman. I suspect the deal to bring them back
involved a percentage increase of their previous
involvement. Actually, the rumor is that it's a
personal services contract with Newman and the team
gets very little out of it. The transporter is still
plain vanilla white.

Bell Micro may be a favor to the company that was the
largest distributor of JDSU product.

Gulfstream may have been a discount on the new Gulfstream V.

As for Curacao and Muermanns, your guess is as good as mine.

Please feel free to post any OWRS sidepod sponsors I missed.


As far as I can tell, OWRS has one sponsor that has activated their
sponsorship with TV ads and representation of their racing
involvment on their website. CDW.

Can you tell me what this has to do with sponsorship money?

Just because their name is on the entry list does not mean that they are
paying a penny towards team expenses. That is what the discussion is about.
I don't think it's about painting a name on a wall.

The teams in question got last minute decals on their sidepods. Many of us
would argue that those decals were basically there to take up space and that
no (or very little) money changed hands for that priviledge. Just looked
better than a blank sidepod.

Luke wrote:
It's hard to tell what they mean when they're in meltdown mode.

Shell wrote:

That's an urban legend that's been debunked.

Check out the Turn one grandstands. These are huge
stands for the Grand Prix du Canada.

They put up a total of about 8,000 seats for OWRS.

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/cha...tl-eg-0997.jpg

Shell wrote:

With 16 cars in OWRS it's a problem. Why wouldn't it be a problem
with 34?

Already been through this.

I know that you can't get past your little Champcar vs. the Extremely Awful
Racing League Mindset.

It isn't good for Champcar to give away sponsorship. Have I defended the
practice in any way, shape, or form?

But Champcar does have a better cost formula that the EARL. Champcar also
has people that are actually showing up to the races. While champcar is
holding steady at a lower level, the EARL is swIRLing into a death spiral
with no future.

The EARL has used all of it's ammo. They almost looked like they had a
business plan a few years back. That plan was to destroy CART and pick up
the pieces. Didn't quite work out that way.

Since that plan didn't work out, it is more than clear that the EARL has
lost all focus. The value of their product falls every day. I think they
might want to get a merger done, while they still have anything left worth
merging with.

"David Reininger" <dreining (AT) gmu (DOT) edu> wrote

By "affiliation" he means "paid money to a team racing at the speedway".

More than obvious Dave. it's called putting 2 and 2 together.

I don't see long lines forming to sponsor the Indycars. Their were only 34
cars vying for 33 spots. You really think, with that few cars, that it would
be that hard to have a sponsor before practice or qualifying?

Seems to me that in the 1980's and 1990's that you always had cars with
sponsorship before qualifying. Now they are slapping on decals before Carb
day. Hmmmm.


"David Reininger" <dreining (AT) gmu (DOT) edu> wrote

Shell wrote:

There you go.