Carey Akin Quote of the Month for Feb. 2007

#11

On Mar 6, 9:46�pm, "Allan Pagan" <allanpa... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Mar 6, 6:20 pm, "ncrdbl1" <mphsric... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2:02?pm, "Allan Pagan" <allanpa... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
No, he's still wrong. ?He said JPM wouldn't win. ?He did win. ?Now we
can see that you are making excuses for the portly maroon known as
CHIM-CHIM. ?Your response is the equivalent of Scooter Libby claiming
he couldn't remember outing Ms. Plame, and besides everyone knew she
was a operative. ?The jury saw through his fraudulence for the obvious
fabrication and as a immaterial and insincere hoax, just like your
duplicity is plainly obvious to all those reading this thread.

BTW, how many Busch races did Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson and Jeff
Gordon enter prior to posting a win?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I see you are ignorant of more than just motorsports. Not only did
Libby not out Plame as an operative, she wasn't an operative. She was
an information analyst.

Sorry ignoramus, she was an operative. *Also, Judith Miller of the New
York Times was specifically told that Valerie Plame was a CIA
operative by Libby. *The information that was disclosed at Libby's
meeting with Judith Miller was not declassified until ten days AFTER
their meeting. *As such, Libby not only out-ed Valerie Plame, but
violated the terms of his own clearance. *Ever have a clearance,
idiot? *I'm sure you don't now and never will.

"In her Grand Jury testimony on October 12, 2005, Judith Miller
produced a notebook from a previously-undisclosed meeting with Libby
on June 23, 2003, several weeks before Wilson's New York Times
editorial was published. According to Miller's notes from that earlier
meeting, Libby disclosed that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA employee
involved in her husband's trip to Niger. Miller's notebook from her
July 8, 2003 meeting with Libby contains the name "Valerie Flame
[sic]".This reference occurred six days before Novak published Plame's
name and unmasked her as a CIA "operative." *-- Russ Baker (The
Nation, March 31, 2005).

As a point of reference:
"There is the claim that the law to protect intelligence identities
could not have been violated because Valerie Wilson had not lived
overseas for six years. Too bad this is not what the law stipulates.
The law actually requires that a covered person "served" overseas in
the last five years. Served does not mean lived. In the case of
Valerie Wilson, energy consultant for Brewster-Jennings, she traveled
overseas in 2003, 2002, and 2001, as part of her cover job. She met
with folks who worked in the nuclear industry, cultivated sources, and
managed spies. She was a national security asset until exposed." * --
Former CIA officer Larry C. Johnson

And by the way, ignoramus, the US Court of Appeals concurred with Mr.
Johnson's interpretation. * *The reason Libby wasn't charged under
Title 18, United States Code, Section 793 [the Espionage Act] or Title
50, United States Code, Section 421 [the Intelligence Identities
Protection Act] that by the language in the referenced codes, he would
have to "knowingly" out her in order to be charged under these codes.
It's a near impossible task to prove his knowledge, as you obviously
don't know from your rambling erroneous diatribe.

Libby's a convicted liar (perjury and obstruction expressly) who out-
ed a CIA operative, whether you like it or not. * If he didn't out
her, he wouldn't have had the need to cover his tracks through illegal
lies and deception. *Would he?

She was not an operative and even if she was

Thanks for the contradiction. *So you recommend that folks go blabbing
about CIA business, even if exact laws were not broken. In this case
laws were broken, and one of the persons who committed these crimes
has been justifiably convicted; although it has been widely reported
that the jurors want to know why Rove and Cheney aren't also being
tried for their participation.

To be in violation of the law she would have had to be operating
outside the USA with in the past 5 years. Which she was not. If you
wish to learn something it was Richard Armitage, a hold over from the
Clinton administration, that gave her identify to Novack. * T

The man's name is Novak. Armitage has claimed to be the 'primary
source' of the leak to Novak. *It has no bearing on Libby's meeting
with Judith Miller. Nice try at deception. * See above, as to why you
are entirely wrong on this point. * Stop listening to morons like drug
addled Rush Limbaugh and you won't ceaselessly make these types of
errors.

This bit of
information was known to the FBI and to Fitzgerald BEFORE the
investigation began. So the information that the investigation was to
uncover was already known before the investigation began. Fitzgerald
ignored this information and went on a witch hunt trying to connect it
to the White House. Once he could not do it he created a crime where
none existed.

So Libby was convicted of crimes he didn't commit? *You are in actual
fact a moron, and Libby's a convicted felon. * It's comforting to know
that you and you fellow 'conservatives' support Libby's (along with
his superiors) dangerously perfidious behaviors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you mean those same notes that Judith Miller could not remember
having until a year after her testimony to the grand jury and then
suddenly found in a box. I find it interesting that she goes from not
being able to recall any details about the meeting to suddenly finding
very detailed notes. So did she lie to the grand jury herself when she
said she could not remember details or did she lie the second time
when she changed her story.

By the way there is no such company as Brewster-Jennings. Wilson/Plame
listed it as her employer in her campaign contribution to the Gore and
Kerry campaigns. CIA requires that operatives list ACTUAL companies in
their covers. Anyone foolish to list a ficticious company as a cover
is bound to have their cover blown.

#12

On Mar 6, 10:00 pm, "ncrdbl1" <mphsric... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Mar 6, 9:46?pm, "Allan Pagan" <allanpa... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 6, 6:20 pm, "ncrdbl1" <mphsric... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2:02?pm, "Allan Pagan" <allanpa... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
No, he's still wrong. ?He said JPM wouldn't win. ?He did win. ?Now we
can see that you are making excuses for the portly maroon known as
CHIM-CHIM. ?Your response is the equivalent of Scooter Libby claiming
he couldn't remember outing Ms. Plame, and besides everyone knew she
was a operative. ?The jury saw through his fraudulence for the obvious
fabrication and as a immaterial and insincere hoax, just like your
duplicity is plainly obvious to all those reading this thread.

BTW, how many Busch races did Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson and Jeff
Gordon enter prior to posting a win?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I see you are ignorant of more than just motorsports. Not only did
Libby not out Plame as an operative, she wasn't an operative. She was
an information analyst.

Sorry ignoramus, she was an operative. ?Also, Judith Miller of the New
York Times was specifically told that Valerie Plame was a CIA
operative by Libby. ?The information that was disclosed at Libby's
meeting with Judith Miller was not declassified until ten days AFTER
their meeting. ?As such, Libby not only out-ed Valerie Plame, but
violated the terms of his own clearance. ?Ever have a clearance,
idiot? ?I'm sure you don't now and never will.

"In her Grand Jury testimony on October 12, 2005, Judith Miller
produced a notebook from a previously-undisclosed meeting with Libby
on June 23, 2003, several weeks before Wilson's New York Times
editorial was published. According to Miller's notes from that earlier
meeting, Libby disclosed that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA employee
involved in her husband's trip to Niger. Miller's notebook from her
July 8, 2003 meeting with Libby contains the name "Valerie Flame
[sic]".This reference occurred six days before Novak published Plame's
name and unmasked her as a CIA "operative." ?-- Russ Baker (The
Nation, March 31, 2005).

As a point of reference:
"There is the claim that the law to protect intelligence identities
could not have been violated because Valerie Wilson had not lived
overseas for six years. Too bad this is not what the law stipulates.
The law actually requires that a covered person "served" overseas in
the last five years. Served does not mean lived. In the case of
Valerie Wilson, energy consultant for Brewster-Jennings, she traveled
overseas in 2003, 2002, and 2001, as part of her cover job. She met
with folks who worked in the nuclear industry, cultivated sources, and
managed spies. She was a national security asset until exposed." ? --
Former CIA officer Larry C. Johnson

And by the way, ignoramus, the US Court of Appeals concurred with Mr.
Johnson's interpretation. ? ?The reason Libby wasn't charged under
Title 18, United States Code, Section 793 [the Espionage Act] or Title
50, United States Code, Section 421 [the Intelligence Identities
Protection Act] that by the language in the referenced codes, he would
have to "knowingly" out her in order to be charged under these codes.
It's a near impossible task to prove his knowledge, as you obviously
don't know from your rambling erroneous diatribe.

Libby's a convicted liar (perjury and obstruction expressly) who out-
ed a CIA operative, whether you like it or not. ? If he didn't out
her, he wouldn't have had the need to cover his tracks through illegal
lies and deception. ?Would he?

She was not an operative and even if she was

Thanks for the contradiction. ?So you recommend that folks go blabbing
about CIA business, even if exact laws were not broken. In this case
laws were broken, and one of the persons who committed these crimes
has been justifiably convicted; although it has been widely reported
that the jurors want to know why Rove and Cheney aren't also being
tried for their participation.

To be in violation of the law she would have had to be operating
outside the USA with in the past 5 years. Which she was not. If you
wish to learn something it was Richard Armitage, a hold over from the
Clinton administration, that gave her identify to Novack. ? T

The man's name is Novak. Armitage has claimed to be the 'primary
source' of the leak to Novak. ?It has no bearing on Libby's meeting
with Judith Miller. Nice try at deception. ? See above, as to why you
are entirely wrong on this point. ? Stop listening to morons like drug
addled Rush Limbaugh and you won't ceaselessly make these types of
errors.

This bit of
information was known to the FBI and to Fitzgerald BEFORE the
investigation began. So the information that the investigation was to
uncover was already known before the investigation began. Fitzgerald
ignored this information and went on a witch hunt trying to connect it
to the White House. Once he could not do it he created a crime where
none existed.

So Libby was convicted of crimes he didn't commit? ?You are in actual
fact a moron, and Libby's a convicted felon. ? It's comforting to know
that you and you fellow 'conservatives' support Libby's (along with
his superiors) dangerously perfidious behaviors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you mean those same notes that Judith Miller could not remember
having until a year after her testimony to the grand jury and then
suddenly found in a box. I find it interesting that she goes from not
being able to recall any details about the meeting to suddenly finding
very detailed notes. So did she lie to the grand jury herself when she
said she could not remember details or did she lie the second time
when she changed her story.

By the way there is no such company as Brewster-Jennings. Wilson/Plame
listed it as her employer in her campaign contribution to the Gore and
Kerry campaigns. CIA requires that operatives list ACTUAL companies in
their covers. Anyone foolish to list a ficticious company as a cover
is bound to have their cover blown.

Libby was found guilty of obstruction of justice, perjury and lying to
the FBI about his role in revealing the name of CIA employee Valerie
Plame to reporters. He was found guilty because he committed these
crimes. Maybe you should try to un-bunch your panties and face up to
the truth of Libby's perfidy. Please allow yourself a heartfelt cry
replete with alligator tears for Libby and the rest of the treasonous
bastards you support.

Why do you suppose Libby was convicted by a jury for perjury and
obstruction if he didn't in actual fact lie?

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