Second runner up:
From: "Alan Sandoval" <alan@(removespam)intertrader.net>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.cart
Subject: Cleveland (Spoiler)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:03:12 -0700
Well, that's unique. I never thought I'd see Ronald McDonald in
victory lane. Maybe the EARL's are right, the clowns really have
taken over.

Maybe some CHUMPS are seeing the light.

Runner up and first loser:
From: Doug Ashford <dashford (AT) prodigy (DOT) net>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.cart
Subject: Re: Doesn't Chris Pook "Get it"?
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:56:14 GMT
I prefer CART, as it corporates more skills than oval-only racing. I
don't know the people involved, obviously, but I don't like Tony
George's expressed priorities. For one thing, I think the top racing
series *should* have high technology,
Ford was unwilling to continue to lose money with the Edsel. If they
had been willing to absorb the losses with the hope that sales would
pick up, the Edsel might have succeeded. In other words, someone has
to pull the plug -- losing money in and of itself doesn't doom any
project. The fact that the participants believe in CART and want it
to continue is the reason that it WILL continue.

Just when I thought Dougie had the week sown up with these 2 jems he
was edged out by ankle man. There is only 1
organization/business/institution that can continue to lose money and
survive, and that's the government, the rest die. In God we trust, all
others pay cash.

Top step on the podium:
From: "Mark McCauley" <REMOVEsmark (AT) hawkpci (DOT) net>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.indy
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:36:11 -0500
The only point to this entire, idiotic "never was a CART race" debate
is that for all intents and purposes (as even you have demonstrated)
it was CART race. The point is not that it was or was not important to
CART. That being said, as for the racing itself - not the mystique,
tradition, etc. - it's just another race, and it usually wasn't/isn't
a particularly good one.

Here it is, absolute proof that the CHUMPS don't get it. They cannot
accept the undisputable fact that the Indy 500 was never a cart
sactioned event and they cannot bring themselves to admit that it was
cart's most important race. It's quite apparent now that the Indy 500
was cart's only important race.

Cheers, TA
"The Indianapolis 500 will not be controlled by CART. They are welcome
to join us as competitors, but not to impose their will or their
governing structure on the Speedway."
TG - From the so called "vision/manifesto"

turboal (AT) hotmail (DOT) com (Turbo Al) wrote in message news:<3f10f7b0.264807 (AT) news (DOT) glinx.com>...

Sheesh. How quickly the standards fall.

Even TJ understands that the "podium" is a abomination in motorsports.

There's a winner, and there are guys making excuses and skulking out
the back gate. End of story.

On 13 Jul 2003 22:24:36 -0700, scottrevision (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
(scottscottscott) wrote:

Hey, it is the CHUMP Quote Of The Week afterall.

Cheers, TA
"The purpose of the IRL is to provide growth, stability and
opportunity for open-wheel, oval track racing."
TG - From the so called "manifesto/vision"

Now this is the Clueless of a lifetime. Tony was really high when he made
this statement. How the hell could CART impose their will on the Indy
500 -- beside fortifying the event with 26 out of 33 drivers every freaking
year.

Maybe it was due to the fact that he felt that Danny Ongais' and Pancho
Carter's talents far outwayed the ability of those Menard Buick V6's (LOL).

The man never had a clue and he never will. Best hope is that the family
finally says enough is enough. We can spend the money that you are pissing
away a whole lot better than you can.

Anyone care to argue the point that he has pissed away millions?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:29:10 -0400, "JT Shell" <jtshellnc (AT) charter (DOT) net>
wrote:

Only if you can produce a set of the books, CHUMP.

Yet after nearly eight IRL seasons with George at the IRL helm, the Indy 500
entry list was smaller than it has been since 1995, not one car was bumped,
TV ratings have continued to decline, and ticket demand has decreased. The
IRL oval track grids are no bigger and sometimes even smaller than CART oval
track grids before 1996 - even after that swarm of seasoned team owners
moved over from CART.

What happened, Tony?

As for the we are an oval race track bit, what's with that infield road
course?

George added an IMS road race and a stock car race. Was that to ensure IMS'
and Indianapolis type oval track racing's future? No doubt that will require
a few IRL road and street races.

"Turbo Al" <turboal (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

I'll rest easy tonight knowing that I am a chump (champcar fan) and you are
a nutlicker -- obviously having the hots for King George.

It is obvious except to a nutlicker that the hammer that TG is talking about
is a scorched earth policy. He would rather destroy all of open wheel
racing, than not have "Bill France" control over the sport. He wants to have
a NASCAR style mafia control over the sport. He'll piss away the family
fortune to do it. It won't work. If CART ever does fail there will be
another open wheel series to challenge King George.

F1 is getting millions fo a race on a Mickey Mouse course that cost millions
to develop. When the Indy 500 contract is up how much do you think the
networks will pay for the diminishing ratings and return?

NASCAR is the only successful event he has going right now. Maybe the
France family can buy the track for pennies on the dollar. By then no one
will evn care.
"tjmc" <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:38:12 -0500, "Mark McCauley"
<REMOVEs-mark1958 (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Now you're starting to get it.

Mark McCauley wrote:

You might as well use Daytona as your example. You'll get the same answer.

"tjmc" <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote

Actually, it seems to me that he is nowhere near starting to get anything.
He may be in reality getting it less and less.
Oh well, I need to go and tend to this wound I got from a broken Molson
Golden bottle. :-)

Smokey