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Re: Indy was a good race -
05-31-2006
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In article <e5hln7$1dcj$1 (AT) osf1 (DOT) gmu.edu>, David Reininger <dreining (AT) gmu (DOT) edu> wrote: Absolutely incredible race. Of course, this is only what I've heard from the folks who were there. I haven't see the race, either. |
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I caught a bit of the middle, flipped it around and caught the end. It was a typical IRL race. A lot of cruising, backmarkers really causing problems because they were that slow, the usual late race caution to bunch the field up so they can scream this is the X closest finish in Indy history. In a top flight racing series a rookie, no matter how talented, should have little to no chance of winning. |
Rookie winner: 8*
Ray Harroun, 1911
Jules Goux, 1913
René Thomas, 1914
Frank Lockhart, 1926
George Souders, 1927
Graham Hill, 1966
Juan Pablo Montoya, 2000
Hélio Castroneves, 2001
* Louis Meyer won in his first start (1928), but had driven the previous
year as relief driver for Wilbur Shaw.
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Then again neither should a driver that hadn't been in a car in years, but both were true. Without that late race caution Michael might have pulled it off. Luck is a part of it and Penske has had his share at Indy over the years. He got a little more Sunday. "David Reininger" <dreining (AT) gmu (DOT) edu> wrote in message news:e5hln7$1dcj$1 (AT) osf1 (DOT) gmu.edu... noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: In article <oj5n7257ik93u6s44ajg2omabiuajibvcv (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, jtees4 <jtees4 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: ..this coming from me...a long time Cartisan, It was a four lap race. What was good about it? We will savor the May whine well into June. Given that finish, and the great racing all day long, the 2006 vintage may continue for decades. Absolutely incredible race. Of course, this is only what I've heard from the folks who were there. TV viewers, YMMV. I haven't seen the recording (but you missed a really good race.) |
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Indy 500 Rookie Winners: Rookie winner: 8* Ray Harroun, 1911 Jules Goux, 1913 René Thomas, 1914 Frank Lockhart, 1926 George Souders, 1927 Graham Hill, 1966 Juan Pablo Montoya, 2000 Hélio Castroneves, 2001 * Louis Meyer won in his first start (1928), but had driven the previous year as relief driver for Wilbur Shaw. Well those 1927 and before are from a time that is so different as to be irrevelant to the discussion. Racing as a whole was in its infancy and the first three you post as rookie winners the racing was so new as to almost insure a rookie winner. 1928 is no different either if you want to toss Louis Meyer in the mix as well. The 1966 example might be the only valid example, but is it really? At that time F1 cars were very simular to champ cars and he did have quite a bit of F1 experience prior to Indy. Indy rookie, champ car rookie, but he certainly was not driving a new type of car for the first time. Montoya had already become well established in CART and had considerable seat time in high HP aero cars. Juan made the comment that IRL cars are so easy to drive that his grandma could do it. He thought very little of the cars. Foot to the floor and so stuck to the ground for him it was no big deal at all. Helio also had considerable seat time with Penske prior to the defection to the IRL. Again plenty of time in higher HP at the time, less stuck to the ground cars that made the IRL seem like no big deal. Adapting was easy. To further taint the Helio Montoya wins, the field post split watered down the talent level of the field to the point that instead of racing 33 real entries like would have happened pre split, they raced about 12 real cars and 21 field fillers. There wouldn't have been nearly as many drivers in the field like Foyt IV. Marco on the other hand is a totally different story. This is his first year in any type of car with this much horsepower. Had some aero experience in the lower levels, but he has driven nothing anything close to an IRL car. Not only is he an Indy rookie, he is a rookie. He did a great job, but with so little experience being an eyelash away from winning certainly brings into question the talent level of the field. The kids still 19 regardless of how talented or his last name. |
talented, should have little to no chance of winning.
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mark wrote: Indy 500 Rookie Winners: Rookie winner: 8* Ray Harroun, 1911 Jules Goux, 1913 René Thomas, 1914 Frank Lockhart, 1926 George Souders, 1927 Graham Hill, 1966 Juan Pablo Montoya, 2000 Hélio Castroneves, 2001 * Louis Meyer won in his first start (1928), but had driven the previous year as relief driver for Wilbur Shaw. Well those 1927 and before are from a time that is so different as to be irrevelant to the discussion. Racing as a whole was in its infancy and the first three you post as rookie winners the racing was so new as to almost insure a rookie winner. 1928 is no different either if you want to toss Louis Meyer in the mix as well. The 1966 example might be the only valid example, but is it really? At that time F1 cars were very simular to champ cars and he did have quite a bit of F1 experience prior to Indy. Indy rookie, champ car rookie, but he certainly was not driving a new type of car for the first time. Montoya had already become well established in CART and had considerable seat time in high HP aero cars. Juan made the comment that IRL cars are so easy to drive that his grandma could do it. He thought very little of the cars. Foot to the floor and so stuck to the ground for him it was no big deal at all. Helio also had considerable seat time with Penske prior to the defection to the IRL. Again plenty of time in higher HP at the time, less stuck to the ground cars that made the IRL seem like no big deal. Adapting was easy. To further taint the Helio Montoya wins, the field post split watered down the talent level of the field to the point that instead of racing 33 real entries like would have happened pre split, they raced about 12 real cars and 21 field fillers. There wouldn't have been nearly as many drivers in the field like Foyt IV. Marco on the other hand is a totally different story. This is his first year in any type of car with this much horsepower. Had some aero experience in the lower levels, but he has driven nothing anything close to an IRL car. Not only is he an Indy rookie, he is a rookie. He did a great job, but with so little experience being an eyelash away from winning certainly brings into question the talent level of the field. The kids still 19 regardless of how talented or his last name. The point was "In a top flight racing series a rookie, no matter how talented, should have little to no chance of winning. |
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The point was "In a top flight racing series a rookie, no matter how talented, should have little to no chance of winning. |
Jacques Villeneuve dominated his first F1 weekend.
If you squint, you could make a case that Michael Schumacher had a
chance of winning his first F1 race.
In Jordan's first year.
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Indy Pro Series - 19 cars at IMS - dead series OWRS - 17 cars - alive and well Go figure. |
1 Castroneves Helio 133.792
2 Kanaan, Tony 133.251
3 Andretti, Marco 133.067
4 Dixon, Scott 132.973
5 Wheldon, Dan 132.45
6 Hornish Sam 132.09
7 Franchitti, Dario 132.061
8 Meira, Vitor 131.837
9 Herta, Bryan 131.61
10 Briscoe, Ryan 131.495
11 Rice, Buddy 131.481
12 Matsuura, Kosuke 131.082
13 Simmons, Jeff 129.83
14 Sharp, Scott 129.737
15 Scheckter, Tomas 129.338
16 Patrick, Danica 129.236
17 Cheever Eddie 128.827
18 Carpenter, Ed 127.602
19 Giaffone, Felipe 127.565
"The grid was set based on June 2 combined practice times. Single-car
qualifying and the "Firestone Fast Six" session was wiped out
because fog precluded the trauma helicopter from landing at the
facility before cars were scheduled to get on the track. The Indy
Racing League requires an evacuation helicopter at each race it
sanctions. "
....I like the part about the helicopter required at all races.
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David Reininger wrote: Indy Pro Series - 19 cars at IMS - dead series OWRS - 17 cars - alive and well Go figure. IRL WAtkins Glen 1 Castroneves Helio 133.792 2 Kanaan, Tony 133.251 3 Andretti, Marco 133.067 4 Dixon, Scott 132.973 5 Wheldon, Dan 132.45 6 Hornish Sam 132.09 7 Franchitti, Dario 132.061 8 Meira, Vitor 131.837 9 Herta, Bryan 131.61 10 Briscoe, Ryan 131.495 11 Rice, Buddy 131.481 12 Matsuura, Kosuke 131.082 13 Simmons, Jeff 129.83 14 Sharp, Scott 129.737 15 Scheckter, Tomas 129.338 16 Patrick, Danica 129.236 17 Cheever Eddie 128.827 18 Carpenter, Ed 127.602 19 Giaffone, Felipe 127.565 "The grid was set based on June 2 combined practice times. Single-car qualifying and the "Firestone Fast Six" session was wiped out because fog precluded the trauma helicopter from landing at the facility before cars were scheduled to get on the track. The Indy Racing League requires an evacuation helicopter at each race it sanctions. " ...I like the part about the helicopter required at all races. |
CC, IRL, A1GP, etc.
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| IRL WAtkins Glen 1 Castroneves Helio 133.792 2 Kanaan, Tony 133.251 3 Andretti, Marco 133.067 4 Dixon, Scott 132.973 5 Wheldon, Dan 132.45 6 Hornish Sam 132.09 7 Franchitti, Dario 132.061 8 Meira, Vitor 131.837 9 Herta, Bryan 131.61 10 Briscoe, Ryan 131.495 11 Rice, Buddy 131.481 12 Matsuura, Kosuke 131.082 13 Simmons, Jeff 129.83 14 Sharp, Scott 129.737 15 Scheckter, Tomas 129.338 16 Patrick, Danica 129.236 17 Cheever Eddie 128.827 18 Carpenter, Ed 127.602 19 Giaffone, Felipe 127.565 "The grid was set based on June 2 combined practice times. Single-car qualifying and the "Firestone Fast Six" session was wiped out because fog precluded the trauma helicopter from landing at the facility before cars were scheduled to get on the track. The Indy Racing League requires an evacuation helicopter at each race it sanctions. " ...I like the part about the helicopter required at all races. |
before any cars hit the track. I would imagine it is the same regarding the
helicopter and OWRS and NASCAR, too.
Carey in Manvel
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Not much different from a local track requiring an ambulance on the grounds before any cars hit the track. I would imagine it is the same regarding the helicopter and OWRS and NASCAR, too. |
delegates rescue and medical to the tracks, though Nascar now has a
medical supervisor who organizes medical information on behalf of the
hardcard holders for use as necessary by the track medical staff. If
that's changed in the last couple of years, I haven't heard it. There
were prominent examples a few years ago of Nascar drivers criticizing
local track rescue; Ryan Newman was in a wrecked car for a long time,
and Dale Jarrett gave up waiting for an ambulance and walked back,
angrily waving off an ambulance that tried to pick him up later.
Major sanctioning bodies usually evaluate total transport time instead
of method; for example, IMS is less than five miles from Methodist, so
it's faster to just load major trauma cases directly into the ambulance
and hit the siren.
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