2. JPM
4. Sam Hornish
10. Tony Stewart

( I would have said IRL stars, but people are still too touchy about
referring to the IRL as anything but total crap)

On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Lenny
<jameslong001 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

JPM wasn't an IRL star. He was CART.

Back when open wheel was USAC, Indy drivers used to drop in on major
NASCAR races and walk away with the win. It's still the guys with
USAC experience (Stweart, Gordon, Newman) who do the best when they go
south.

So your subject line is appropriate.

Ken Plotkin

On Aug 4, 1:08*am, Ken Plotkin <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote:

As I recall, JPM was 1 for 1 in the IRL,

On Aug 3, 11:08*pm, Ken Plotkin <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Better experience. 900 hp turbo

On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<scottrevision (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Big time 1 for 1. But he was a CART star...the IRL could never claim
him as one of their own.

Ken Plotkin

On Aug 4, 1:08*am, Ken Plotkin <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote:
I don't know, Ken. Showing up for the IRLs biggest race, humiliating
the field and then comparing the track to something his grandmother
could master must make him a star.

YMMV

On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:38:58 -0700 (PDT), Lenny
<jameslong001 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:


Star, yes. IRL star, no. Was Eisenhower a German star? Tibbets a
Japanese star?

Ken Plotkin

On Aug 6, 9:42*pm, Ken Plotkin <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote:
So you see Montoya's interlude in the 500 as an conqueror rather than
a participant?

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:20:22 -0700 (PDT), Lenny
<jameslong001 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:


Yes. Much like Jim Clark.

Absolutely nothing negative about either of them for that role. In
fact, it's a huge accomplishment to beat others at their own game.
But I wouldn't call Montoya an IRL star any more than I'd call Clark a
USAC star.

Same thing with Foyt and Andretti and NASCAR. They both won NASCAR's
(supposed) biggest race, but I don't think anyone ever touted either
as a NASCAR star.

Ken Plotkin

Well, he had a German name.