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Default Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-13-2007 , 10:31 AM







In the past, regardless of the sanctioning body, Indy Pole Day might
qualify more than half the field if the weather was good. The stands
would fill with fans in anticipation of seeing how many of the fastest
cars try to get into the field and which would be on the pole and front
row. On the best of days, there might be twenty or more cars qualified.
The qualifying decision from a team would be whether to use their
attempt or to go hope for better conditions and car set-up.

Those cars that would make it into the field were locked into their
position unless they got bumped out of the field.

A lot of fans, including me, referred Indy qualifying to the actual
race. It was fun and sometimes would draw a quarter of a million fans
just for one qualifying day!

On Bump Day, if the weather would be good, the 33-car field would be
filled and the slowest teams would be on pins and needles. It was truly
fun and the fans would fill to watch the drama. Usually, just a few
minutes before the track closed, a car would go out and make that last
attempt. It was a dramatic day until the track would close.

33 was the size of the field unless the lawyers stepped in. Entry lists
were a lot bigger than 33.


Then came the IRL. To preserve the traditions of the Indy 500.

The fields are lucky to have 33 entrants, final qualifying will barely
fill the field.

The qualifying process now only allows eleven cars to qualify on the
first day. This removes a lot of the fun of pole day. The rest of the
month is just for nickel-diming adds to the field.

Cars get more attempts removing the strategy and allowing them to get
into the field even if they have trouble putting together a decent
qualifying run. Just kills real qualifying strategy and decision-making.

Bump day is not meaningful since there aren't enough entries to make any
difference.

The result of all the changes to tradition is a clear loss of fan
interest. The stands are empty. Pole Day qualifying is limited to only
those card that are shooting for the pole as opposed to cars that are
interested in getting into the field. Qualifying only eleven cars just
forces mid-pack cars to spend more $$ and effort just to get into the
field. This doesn't help interest.


So the bottom line is that the IRL has not helped to preserve the
traditions of the Indy 500. It has ruined THE fun month of auto racing.
And as the Indy 500 is the only race of interest in the IRL, it
reflects very poorly on the series as a whole.

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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-13-2007 , 11:06 AM






"Cessna 310" <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote

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In the past, regardless of the sanctioning body, Indy Pole Day might
qualify more than half the field if the weather was good. The stands
would fill with fans in anticipation of seeing how many of the fastest
cars try to get into the field and which would be on the pole and front
row. On the best of days, there might be twenty or more cars qualified.
The qualifying decision from a team would be whether to use their
attempt or to go hope for better conditions and car set-up.

Those cars that would make it into the field were locked into their
position unless they got bumped out of the field.

A lot of fans, including me, referred Indy qualifying to the actual
race. It was fun and sometimes would draw a quarter of a million fans
just for one qualifying day!

On Bump Day, if the weather would be good, the 33-car field would be
filled and the slowest teams would be on pins and needles. It was truly
fun and the fans would fill to watch the drama. Usually, just a few
minutes before the track closed, a car would go out and make that last
attempt. It was a dramatic day until the track would close.

33 was the size of the field unless the lawyers stepped in. Entry lists
were a lot bigger than 33.


Then came the IRL. To preserve the traditions of the Indy 500.

The fields are lucky to have 33 entrants, final qualifying will barely
fill the field.

The qualifying process now only allows eleven cars to qualify on the
first day. This removes a lot of the fun of pole day. The rest of the
month is just for nickel-diming adds to the field.

Cars get more attempts removing the strategy and allowing them to get
into the field even if they have trouble putting together a decent
qualifying run. Just kills real qualifying strategy and decision-making.

Bump day is not meaningful since there aren't enough entries to make any
difference.

The result of all the changes to tradition is a clear loss of fan
interest. The stands are empty. Pole Day qualifying is limited to only
those card that are shooting for the pole as opposed to cars that are
interested in getting into the field. Qualifying only eleven cars just
forces mid-pack cars to spend more $$ and effort just to get into the
field. This doesn't help interest.


So the bottom line is that the IRL has not helped to preserve the
traditions of the Indy 500. It has ruined THE fun month of auto racing.
And as the Indy 500 is the only race of interest in the IRL, it
reflects very poorly on the series as a whole.

"Coming on the heels of what many have described as
one of the most exciting/dramatic pole days at Indy,
http://www.fastmachines.com/archives/irl/004271.php
http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=252109
http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=8846
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/indycar/37326/
http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/story/10178960
http://www.crash.net/feature_view~cid~12~id~11284.htm
http://www.irl-live.com/indy/en/head...13085502.shtml
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1052/SPORTS01
was there ever a more clear-cut example of sour grapes?"




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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-13-2007 , 12:08 PM



.. wrote:
Quote:
"Cessna 310" <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:hjF1i.9$Om7.1 (AT) newsfe06 (DOT) lga...
In the past, regardless of the sanctioning body, Indy Pole Day might
qualify more than half the field if the weather was good. The stands
would fill with fans in anticipation of seeing how many of the fastest
cars try to get into the field and which would be on the pole and front
row. On the best of days, there might be twenty or more cars qualified.
The qualifying decision from a team would be whether to use their
attempt or to go hope for better conditions and car set-up.

Those cars that would make it into the field were locked into their
position unless they got bumped out of the field.

A lot of fans, including me, referred Indy qualifying to the actual
race. It was fun and sometimes would draw a quarter of a million fans
just for one qualifying day!

On Bump Day, if the weather would be good, the 33-car field would be
filled and the slowest teams would be on pins and needles. It was truly
fun and the fans would fill to watch the drama. Usually, just a few
minutes before the track closed, a car would go out and make that last
attempt. It was a dramatic day until the track would close.

33 was the size of the field unless the lawyers stepped in. Entry lists
were a lot bigger than 33.


Then came the IRL. To preserve the traditions of the Indy 500.

The fields are lucky to have 33 entrants, final qualifying will barely
fill the field.

The qualifying process now only allows eleven cars to qualify on the
first day. This removes a lot of the fun of pole day. The rest of the
month is just for nickel-diming adds to the field.

Cars get more attempts removing the strategy and allowing them to get
into the field even if they have trouble putting together a decent
qualifying run. Just kills real qualifying strategy and decision-making.

Bump day is not meaningful since there aren't enough entries to make any
difference.

The result of all the changes to tradition is a clear loss of fan
interest. The stands are empty. Pole Day qualifying is limited to only
those card that are shooting for the pole as opposed to cars that are
interested in getting into the field. Qualifying only eleven cars just
forces mid-pack cars to spend more $$ and effort just to get into the
field. This doesn't help interest.


So the bottom line is that the IRL has not helped to preserve the
traditions of the Indy 500. It has ruined THE fun month of auto racing.
And as the Indy 500 is the only race of interest in the IRL, it
reflects very poorly on the series as a whole.


"Coming on the heels of what many have described as
one of the most exciting/dramatic pole days at Indy,
http://www.fastmachines.com/archives/irl/004271.php
http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=252109
http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=8846
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/indycar/37326/
http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/story/10178960
http://www.crash.net/feature_view~cid~12~id~11284.htm
http://www.irl-live.com/indy/en/head...13085502.shtml
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1052/SPORTS01
was there ever a more clear-cut example of sour grapes?"


It was one of the most exciting pole days in the last eleven years.
Falls way short of those prior to the destruction of open wheel racing
by the IRL.






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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-13-2007 , 01:53 PM



On May 13, 9:31 am, Cessna 310 <jolene... (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
In the past, regardless of the sanctioning body, Indy Pole Day might
qualify more than half the field if the weather was good. The stands
would fill with fans in anticipation of seeing how many of the fastest
cars try to get into the field and which would be on the pole and front
row. On the best of days, there might be twenty or more cars qualified.
The qualifying decision from a team would be whether to use their
attempt or to go hope for better conditions and car set-up.

Those cars that would make it into the field were locked into their
position unless they got bumped out of the field.

A lot of fans, including me, referred Indy qualifying to the actual
race. It was fun and sometimes would draw a quarter of a million fans
just for one qualifying day!

On Bump Day, if the weather would be good, the 33-car field would be
filled and the slowest teams would be on pins and needles. It was truly
fun and the fans would fill to watch the drama. Usually, just a few
minutes before the track closed, a car would go out and make that last
attempt. It was a dramatic day until the track would close.

33 was the size of the field unless the lawyers stepped in. Entry lists
were a lot bigger than 33.

Then came the IRL. To preserve the traditions of the Indy 500.

The fields are lucky to have 33 entrants, final qualifying will barely
fill the field.

The qualifying process now only allows eleven cars to qualify on the
first day. This removes a lot of the fun of pole day. The rest of the
month is just for nickel-diming adds to the field.

Cars get more attempts removing the strategy and allowing them to get
into the field even if they have trouble putting together a decent
qualifying run. Just kills real qualifying strategy and decision-making.

Bump day is not meaningful since there aren't enough entries to make any
difference.

The result of all the changes to tradition is a clear loss of fan
interest. The stands are empty. Pole Day qualifying is limited to only
those card that are shooting for the pole as opposed to cars that are
interested in getting into the field. Qualifying only eleven cars just
forces mid-pack cars to spend more $$ and effort just to get into the
field. This doesn't help interest.

So the bottom line is that the IRL has not helped to preserve the
traditions of the Indy 500. It has ruined THE fun month of auto racing.
And as the Indy 500 is the only race of interest in the IRL, it
reflects very poorly on the series as a whole.
I was at pole day in 1993. There were 100k people there.

How many bothered to show up yesterday?



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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-13-2007 , 01:54 PM



On May 13, 11:08 am, Cessna 310 <jolene... (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
. wrote:
"Cessna 310" <jolene... (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:hjF1i.9$Om7.1 (AT) newsfe06 (DOT) lga...
In the past, regardless of the sanctioning body, Indy Pole Day might
qualify more than half the field if the weather was good. The stands
would fill with fans in anticipation of seeing how many of the fastest
cars try to get into the field and which would be on the pole and front
row. On the best of days, there might be twenty or more cars qualified.
The qualifying decision from a team would be whether to use their
attempt or to go hope for better conditions and car set-up.

Those cars that would make it into the field were locked into their
position unless they got bumped out of the field.

A lot of fans, including me, referred Indy qualifying to the actual
race. It was fun and sometimes would draw a quarter of a million fans
just for one qualifying day!

On Bump Day, if the weather would be good, the 33-car field would be
filled and the slowest teams would be on pins and needles. It was truly
fun and the fans would fill to watch the drama. Usually, just a few
minutes before the track closed, a car would go out and make that last
attempt. It was a dramatic day until the track would close.

33 was the size of the field unless the lawyers stepped in. Entry lists
were a lot bigger than 33.

Then came the IRL. To preserve the traditions of the Indy 500.

The fields are lucky to have 33 entrants, final qualifying will barely
fill the field.

The qualifying process now only allows eleven cars to qualify on the
first day. This removes a lot of the fun of pole day. The rest of the
month is just for nickel-diming adds to the field.

Cars get more attempts removing the strategy and allowing them to get
into the field even if they have trouble putting together a decent
qualifying run. Just kills real qualifying strategy and decision-making.

Bump day is not meaningful since there aren't enough entries to make any
difference.

The result of all the changes to tradition is a clear loss of fan
interest. The stands are empty. Pole Day qualifying is limited to only
those card that are shooting for the pole as opposed to cars that are
interested in getting into the field. Qualifying only eleven cars just
forces mid-pack cars to spend more $$ and effort just to get into the
field. This doesn't help interest.

So the bottom line is that the IRL has not helped to preserve the
traditions of the Indy 500. It has ruined THE fun month of auto racing.
And as the Indy 500 is the only race of interest in the IRL, it
reflects very poorly on the series as a whole.

"Coming on the heels of what many have described as
one of the most exciting/dramatic pole days at Indy,
http://www.fastmachines.com/archives/irl/004271.php
http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=252109
http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=8846
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/indycar/37326/
http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/story/10178960
http://www.crash.net/feature_view~cid~12~id~11284.htm
http://www.irl-live.com/indy/en/head...13085502.shtml
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...0513/SPORTS010...
was there ever a more clear-cut example of sour grapes?"

It was one of the most exciting pole days in the last eleven years.
Falls way short of those prior to the destruction of open wheel racing
by the IRL.
If the most exciting race ever held has no one watching it, is it
still the most exciting race?



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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-14-2007 , 01:23 PM




<crickets>




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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-14-2007 , 02:16 PM



On May 14, 12:23 pm, "just bob" <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote:
I was wondering where the crickets were. I guess they're not even
interested in the Iddy 5hunnert



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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-14-2007 , 02:34 PM



On May 14, 2:16 pm, Dave-E <davegt... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
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I was wondering where the crickets were. I guess they're not even
interested in the Iddy 5hunnert
Don't you mean the IRL 833k?



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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-14-2007 , 04:13 PM



On May 14, 1:34 pm, Lenny <hayso... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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On May 14, 2:16 pm, Dave-E <davegt... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:



I was wondering where the crickets were. I guess they're not even
interested in the Iddy 5hunnert

Don't you mean the IRL 833k?
This heres America. We don't do no keelomeeters. Thems for furriners.

Turning right is for commie fag junkies too.



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Default Re: Indy 500 qualifying process - 05-15-2007 , 09:14 AM




"Lenny" <haysooce (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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On May 14, 2:16 pm, Dave-E <davegt... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

I was wondering where the crickets were. I guess they're not even
interested in the Iddy 5hunnert

Don't you mean the IRL 833k?

That would have to be the 800k. 33 is just a number.

alien




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