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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 02:45 PM






On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:17:51 GMT, "David Eckard"
<fjbeqrqtr (AT) rneguyvax (DOT) arg> wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:40:00 UTC, tjmc <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:

25. It's never Sarah's fault, who are you kidding?


Sarah said tires... I said they didn't have time to do proper testing
due to spinout.

In short, sarah may have had leaky tires but the fact that her car had
to be rebuilt hurt more.

More and more excuses and hollow defense from Sarah's biggest and most
loving fan!

She's a menace. She's has no business out there. She had her chance.
She's the IRL's current Racin Gardner.




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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 02:52 PM






On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:56:17 GMT, "David Eckard"
<fjbeqrqtr (AT) rneguyvax (DOT) arg> wrote:

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:45:56 UTC, tjmc <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:

For the first year or two she didn't do all that badly. Her problem is
that with all the experienced drivers coming into to IRL, not to mention
the aggressive young hot shoes like Rice, Hornish, Scheckter and Dixon,
the talent pool in the IRL got real deep real fast. I think she's just
been overwhelmed.


There have been times last year without the underpowered chevy when
she did very well. Leading the first 30 or so laps at kentucy from
the pole, for example.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.


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When the equipment works, she does well.

You mean when they somehow chance into a set-up somehow by sheer luck,
because there apparently is no way she contributes in any meaningful
way what she wants. For years people said it was her "communication"
with Walker and his engineers, despite the fact those people had won
races with other drivers. Now it is leaky tires.

She's a menace.


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The problem is getting the equipment to work right.

She has to contribute her part ot that equation, too. She obviously
can't, though.


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This has been what separates teams like penske from the rest...

Gee, Ganassi doesn't seem to have a problem. AGR doesn't seem to have
a problem. Panther doesn't seem tohave a problem. Ganassi and Panther
haven't even had problems when they run different drivers.

Even Greg "Concrete Magnet" Ray, with an all new team, etc., has not
had all the problems Sarah has had.

She's a menace.


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He can make the equipment work right nearly every week.

Newflash - Penske doesn't win every week. Other teams often beat him.
why is it they can do it, but she and her team can't?

Even other teams with tiny budgets beat Penske from time to time - why
can't she?

Answer - She's a menace.


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You rarely hear of his teams having bad
handling problems and even his frequency of engine/transmission/etc
failures is lower.

More excuses, excuses, excuses.

She's a menace.




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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 07:01 PM



tjmc <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote in
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Maybe. But Sarah's been in the series how many years? How many
races? How many victories?

To most critical observers she's already well beyond the point where
she should have won at least one race by default. A blind squirrel
finding a nut and all that...
Well, lack of a victory doesn't necessarily qualifiy her as a bad IRL
driver. Take Michel Jordain, for instance. Here was a guy in poor
equipment for nearly six years, but given the right equipment, he was
(is) able to succeed this year. Sarah has had minutes of success, but
more often than not, she has been a back-marker. The fact is: she (and
Foyt IV) have stepped up to the big times way, way too early with out
proper seasoning in lower formulas.

Ok, there was no IPS when Fisher started, but she surely turned down a
chance at more race experience in winged formula cars by rejecting an
Atlantics ride. I think her lack of experience, fitness, and race craft
shows in her results. No one expects her to win or contend week in and
week out. But try to stay on pace and get top-15s....


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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 07:04 PM



And how do you plan on collecting? I say from now on you owe me $10
every time you post anything annoying. Of course this would mean every
time you post but that's fine with me.


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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 07:40 PM



On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:50:07 -0500, "Pickaxe" <pickaxe (AT) pickaxe (DOT) org>
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...anyone using one of the following trademarked excuses to defend Sarah's
poor performances will be required to pay me a $1 fee. After the first 3
excuses, you will only be required to pay .25 for each additional excuse:

1. Derrick Walker
2. The radio didn't work
3. Derrick Walker's engineers
4. Car was loose
5. Car was tight
6. It was a driver's track
7. It wasn't a driver's track
8. Derrick Walker's crew
9. Tires were losing pressure
10. There were other cars on the track
11. Derrick Walker's cars
12. Chevy
13. Infiniti
14. Robbie Buhl did worse
15. AJ Foyt IV was in the way
16. Bad pitstop/s
17. It was her crew's fault
18. Car was too fast
19. The car wasn't able to handle a 30g wall impact
20. She was biding her time, she didn't know the race was only 200 laps
21. Nobody else with AOL sponsorship did better
22. She didn't plan on crashing so early
23. Derrick Walker's pit equipment
24. She's on the wrong team
25. It's never Sarah's fault, who are you kidding?


Really, it was Dallara's fault for selling her team parts that were
not to the same specification as the damaged parts on her car. You
will not collect $1 from me, you will not pass go, and you will go
directly to jail.

Cheers, TA
How do you turn hot air into horsepower? Consult Garrett, Holset, IHI,
KKK, etc.


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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 07:45 PM




"tjmc" <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote


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I'm not here to take anything away from Jourdain, I've enjoyed watching
him succeed. But without de Ferran, Castroneves, Franchitti, Kanaan,
Fittipaldi, Andretti, Brack, da Matta and others, even the most fervent
CART fan has to admit he's now running against much less talent.

Weer da best, weer da best.









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Default Re: From now on... - 06-30-2003 , 07:46 PM




Oh, and I almost forgot...

Sarah still sucks.




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Default Re: From now on... - 07-01-2003 , 08:03 AM



What's new? That's the way it's always been in the IRL. It has been a minor
league series in which those who couldn't compete in CART suddenly become
successful in the IRL. But now they are all "fucked" like Sarah is because
several CART teams have moved to the IRL. Yes, all those "experienced
drivers (CART drivers - "da best") coming into the IRL" (not to mention
those Brazilians with all that dirt track experience -snicker) are quickly
driving nails into the coffin of the George/IRL manifesto. It has been
exposed, just like Sarah Fisher has been exposed, for all it ever was - a
marketing gimmick. Will George finally drop the marketing gimmicks once he
finally has a major league series? (At least one more to go - Foyt IV)

(As for the "hot shoes," Dixon was a winner in CART. He's one of those
"experienced drivers")

Now that the IRL is reaching a new level with the influx of CART teams and
is already traveling overseas, shall we now expect to see road and street
courses?

"tjmc" <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote

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For the first year or two she didn't do all that badly. Her problem is
that with all the experienced drivers coming into to IRL, not to mention
the aggressive young hot shoes like Rice, Hornish, Scheckter and Dixon,
the talent pool in the IRL got real deep real fast. I think she's just
been overwhelmed.



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Default Re: From now on... - 07-01-2003 , 08:58 AM



On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:03:27 -0500, "Mark McCauley"
<REMOVEs-mark1958 (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

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Yes, all those "experienced
drivers (CART drivers - "da best") coming into the IRL" (not to mention
those Brazilians with all that dirt track experience -snicker) are quickly
driving nails into the coffin of the George/IRL manifesto. It has been
exposed, just like Sarah Fisher has been exposed, for all it ever was - a
marketing gimmick.
What I can't understand is you and your fellow CHUMPS continually crying
over Tony's "manifesto." What? You thought a business in a dynamic
environment like American open wheel would require no adjustments? No
adaptation to realities? To one extent or another that's precisely what
led to the fall of CART.

Tony got caught out in two areas. First, the engine suppliers and
secondly the amount of driving talent and seasoned ownership/sponsorship
swarming to race in his league. Both of which were direct results of
CART crumbling like a house of cards and certain windfalls for his
series. I mean if you're gonna start an American open wheel series at
the beginning of the 21st century who better to have than Penske,
Ganassi, Green, Andretti, Toyota, Honda, Target, Marlboro and all the
others?

He was supposed to shut them out? Are you crazy?

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(As for the "hot shoes," Dixon was a winner in CART. He's one of those
"experienced drivers")
Whatever. He's now racing at Tony's house.

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Now that the IRL is reaching a new level with the influx of CART teams and
is already traveling overseas, shall we now expect to see road and street
courses?
God, I hope so.


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Default Re: From now on... - 07-01-2003 , 09:28 AM



"tjmc" <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:03:27 -0500, "Mark McCauley"
REMOVEs-mark1958 (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
What I can't understand is you and your fellow CHUMPS continually crying
over Tony's "manifesto." What? You thought a business in a dynamic
environment like American open wheel would require no adjustments? No
adaptation to realities? To one extent or another that's precisely what
led to the fall of CART.
Yes, Tony is adjusting the same realities that CART faced. Funny how that
works. His "manifesto" didn't work, so now he's having to adjust and adapt?
The point is the "manifesto" was a fraud, a marketing gimmick. What part of
that don't you understand? Tony is going to implement CART's "business
plan." That's all this was ever about.

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Tony got caught out in two areas. First, the engine suppliers and
secondly the amount of driving talent and seasoned ownership/sponsorship
swarming to race in his league. Both of which were direct results of
Swarming? SWARMING?! LOL! Barely puting 22 cars on the grid after
predictions of 28-30 per race? Oh yeah, then there was "bubble-day," not to
mention the color blue sponsorship of the series most popular driver, Sarah
Fisher.

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CART crumbling like a house of cards and certain windfalls for his
series. I mean if you're gonna start an American open wheel series at
the beginning of the 21st century who better to have than Penske,
Ganassi, Green, Andretti, Toyota, Honda, Target, Marlboro and all the
others?
Agreed - "Da best"

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He was supposed to shut them out? Are you crazy?
No, especially after that failed the first time.

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(As for the "hot shoes," Dixon was a winner in CART. He's one of those
"experienced drivers")

Whatever. He's now racing at Tony's house.
Yes, with an F1 test in the cards and rumors of TCGR leaving the IRL after
this year.

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Now that the IRL is reaching a new level with the influx of CART teams
and
is already traveling overseas, shall we now expect to see road and street
courses?

God, I hope so.
I know you want to see road courses, but didn't you accuse CART of
prostituting itself by racing on street courses? Why would you want the IRL
to do that - adapting and adjusting?




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