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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-25-2009 , 11:38 PM






"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:53:28 -0400, "Von Fourche"
khonakong (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I've been watching a few old IndyCar races from the 1990's and 1980's.
[snip]

1990s isn't exactly old.

That got me to thinking - did those that watched those races then switch
over to NASCAR? I think we can all agree the answer is a big NO. Open
wheel fans and NASCAR fans are, for the most part, two different kinds of
fans.
[snip]

The answer is a big "you're blowing shit out of your ears." Were you
around in the 80s and earlier? If there were different fan bases, it
was because of where people lived and where the races were. Most
races were not televised, so racing was more localized. If you're
thinking of the drunken yahoos in the infield at Darlington, how did
they differ from the Snake Pit at Indianapolis?
Have you ever been in the Darlington infield?
it is a great party and still safe to bring women and children. I wouldn't
do that at Indy.
sure there is drinking and pot smoking, but no wet T-Shirt contests that
degenerate from there{not that I object to that}NA$CAR is probably the most
family friendly events going.

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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-26-2009 , 07:53 AM






On Oct 25, 11:38*pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Have you ever been in the Darlington infield?
it is a great party and still safe to bring women and children. I wouldn't
do that at Indy.
sure there is drinking and pot smoking, but no wet T-Shirt contests that
degenerate from there{not that I object to that}NA$CAR is probably the most
family friendly events going.
Have you ever been to the infield at Talladega? I have been told that
it is better now, but in the 90s it was one of the most degenerate
public places I have ever have been. There were children there, but
are probably scarred for life ;-)

Not as bad as the snake pit, though...

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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-26-2009 , 12:18 PM



"Lenny" <jameslong001 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Oct 25, 11:38 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Have you ever been in the Darlington infield?
it is a great party and still safe to bring women and children. I wouldn't
do that at Indy.
sure there is drinking and pot smoking, but no wet T-Shirt contests that
degenerate from there{not that I object to that}NA$CAR is probably the
most
family friendly events going.
Have you ever been to the infield at Talladega? I have been told that
it is better now, but in the 90s it was one of the most degenerate
public places I have ever have been. There were children there, but
are probably scarred for life ;-)

Not as bad as the snake pit, though...

================================================== =========================

I've been in the infields of Darlington and Dover and I'd not worry if my
mother had been there.
I've also been to the Laconia Bike races in Loudon NH , so I know what true
depravity looks like.
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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-26-2009 , 04:07 PM



Green Park in Sebring is a lot safer than the stories i have heard
about.

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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-28-2009 , 09:51 AM



[Default] Thus spake "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>:

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"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:53:28 -0400, "Von Fourche"
khonakong (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I've been watching a few old IndyCar races from the 1990's and 1980's.
[snip]

1990s isn't exactly old.

That got me to thinking - did those that watched those races then switch
over to NASCAR? I think we can all agree the answer is a big NO. Open
wheel fans and NASCAR fans are, for the most part, two different kinds of
fans.
[snip]

The answer is a big "you're blowing shit out of your ears." Were you
around in the 80s and earlier? If there were different fan bases, it
was because of where people lived and where the races were. Most
races were not televised, so racing was more localized. If you're
thinking of the drunken yahoos in the infield at Darlington, how did
they differ from the Snake Pit at Indianapolis?

Have you ever been in the Darlington infield?
it is a great party and still safe to bring women and children. I wouldn't
do that at Indy.
The only time I've been to the 505, the infield didn't look like it
was for race watching. I was for frisbee tossing, pot smoking (and
pretty good stuff, from the response), woman groping (some encouraged,
some not so happily), and general "anything but the race:.

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sure there is drinking and pot smoking, but no wet T-Shirt contests that
degenerate from there{not that I object to that}NA$CAR is probably the most
family friendly events going.
In the 60's and 70's, drag racing was a strange mix of "family
friendly" over here, and "just a little too rough for the nice folks"
over there. And then it trickled in. Miss Hurst, Linda <something>
with the massive knockers sitting in the stands.

Now it's so namby-pamby.
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distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-28-2009 , 08:38 PM



On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:05:56 -0500, Dillon Pyron
<invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:


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There was a "core" who followed from race to race, just like in
NASCAR. But not much. Most were folks who showed up for "the race".
Same thing today.

Quote:
And we had one into this centure/decade who tried to win the Indy 500
and the World (oops, Pepsi) 600 on the same day.
IMS pretty much cut that off with the later start for the 500.

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It seems that the drivers of both series, these days, are fans of ALL
high level racing. Several NASCAR drivers get up early Sundays to
watch the F1 races, as do most of the IRL (and, previously, CART).
It's kind of a change that most of today's drivers are fans. In the
old days, a lot of drivers got into it without really being into
racing. Junior Johnson supposedly was out plowing his field when a
promotor came by and asked if he'd like to drive something. Or guys
like Lee Petty who got into it in their 30s. Or John Surtees, who
drove in the first car race that he ever attended.

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I wouldn't so much say that as trying to make the IRL an
"international" series, when they are having enough trouble making it
a "US" series. Okay, and Canada
I think they've got more hope of Canada, as long as they can hang onto
Paul Tracy.

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NASCAR was also a lot better back then, too.

Yeah. Back when Petty drove a pale blue car with just a big STP
sticker on the side and restrictor plates weren't even though of.
They had restrictor plates back then. Also selective banning of
particular engines. But it wasn't for any panty-waist thing like
keeping speed down. It was to equalize the cars and improve the show,
without making the cars clones of each other.

Glad to see you're still looking in here, Dillon.

Ken Plotkin

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Default Re: Old IndyCar Races - 10-29-2009 , 09:42 PM



[Default] Thus spake Ken Plotkin <kplotkin (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net>:

Quote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:05:56 -0500, Dillon Pyron
invaliddmpyron (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:


There was a "core" who followed from race to race, just like in
NASCAR. But not much. Most were folks who showed up for "the race".

Same thing today.
Not sure if I was clear. "The race" refers to whatever was in town.
If "the race" was in Nazerath, then folks in the roughly 100 mile
radius might show up.

Quote:
And we had one into this centure/decade who tried to win the Indy 500
and the World (oops, Pepsi) 600 on the same day.

IMS pretty much cut that off with the later start for the 500.

It seems that the drivers of both series, these days, are fans of ALL
high level racing. Several NASCAR drivers get up early Sundays to
watch the F1 races, as do most of the IRL (and, previously, CART).

It's kind of a change that most of today's drivers are fans. In the
old days, a lot of drivers got into it without really being into
racing. Junior Johnson supposedly was out plowing his field when a
promotor came by and asked if he'd like to drive something. Or guys
like Lee Petty who got into it in their 30s. Or John Surtees, who
drove in the first car race that he ever attended.
I've been watching the Isle of Man TT on Discovery HD Theater (if you
get it, they also have a show "GT-Racer" that follows "the gentlemen's
racing" series, aka Masters Marahons, which are three to six hour
races for cars built prior to roughly 1975.

Quote:
I wouldn't so much say that as trying to make the IRL an
"international" series, when they are having enough trouble making it
a "US" series. Okay, and Canada

I think they've got more hope of Canada, as long as they can hang onto
Paul Tracy.
Well, now that Montreal apparently has the GP back, we'll see how it
goes. But with tickets in the $300 range, I'll bet lots of people
from Toronto won't go. And hotels near the train line are running
$400/nt.

Quote:
NASCAR was also a lot better back then, too.

Yeah. Back when Petty drove a pale blue car with just a big STP
sticker on the side and restrictor plates weren't even though of.

They had restrictor plates back then. Also selective banning of
particular engines. But it wasn't for any panty-waist thing like
keeping speed down. It was to equalize the cars and improve the show,
without making the cars clones of each other.
Yeah. Point well taken. But I also remember some of those evil
looking (in the good way) Talledagas and Daytonas with the wings. I
saw one on a trailer a few years back, in perfect condition. I was
very tempted to follow him, but Carol had this thing about actually
taking our turn off to get to my mother's house instead of driving to
what was likely OKC.

Quote:
Glad to see you're still looking in here, Dillon.
Yeah, I haven't really been on rasi, so I haven't seen much. Might as
well head on over, as it seems that Von and I have been the only
posters there until this thread started.
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distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
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