"Motorsports Stock Service" <headingforadollarorless (AT) pennystock (DOT) com> wrote
in message news:0c95125f829cfa05accadf37730242a5 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com...
The must have noticed my comments about how running the USGP in the midst of
football season is insanity.

The contract ends in 2004....best part of this deal is that King George pays
Bernie 25 mil per year for the rights....Bernie keeps all track
signage....Bernie keeps all broadcast TV commercials.....and it is going to
cost king George about 10 mil extra according to the track supervisor to get
the track converted so soon after Indy and then back for the Brickyard race

Also only 60,000 tickets have been sold so far

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:44:47 GMT, Motorsports Stock Service
<headingforadollarorless (AT) pennystock (DOT) com> wrote:

Next year is the last year of a five year contract. There has been no
announcement about a new contract ...yet. I think Bernie is upping the
fee and Tony is resisting. The rumors at the time of the signing were
that Bernie had given Tony a generous discount to the sanction fee in
order to grow an audience. That didn't happen and I don't think it
ever will.

But, where would they go to for a decent track in the US? Someone
would have to make a huge investment on an uncertain outcome for a
series that has not done very well in the US.

Tony may not be making as much cash since the crowds are shrinking and
he may not care if it moves away. F1 in America may cease to
exist...again.

That would be a shame.

jim

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:44:47 GMT, Motorsports Stock Service
<headingforadollarorless (AT) pennystock (DOT) com> wrote:

Two issues... Bernie makes money on the USGP and a lot of it. Tony,
does not. Argue it any way you want, bernie is the theif of
motorsports.


Second, when you can't advertise on your car, then what good is the
race? F1 will drop races like Indianpolis in favour of China and
other far east countries.

"cfswestern" <cfswestern (AT) lvcm (DOT) com> wrote

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Actually, it's mainly because the Canadian GP is in June as well so it
allows the teams to ship their stuff across the pond once for two races in
succession.

Brian

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:58:04 -0400, linuz <linus1956.delete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Sounds about right. Neither side's been hurt and Tony's probably lost a
few bucks. As much as I honestly think he thinks F1 should race in the
states at his race track, I doubt he'll carry it on anything less than a
guarantee to at least break even.

That's the key.

A lot now depends on how badly (if at all) F1 wants to stay in the US
and what the other *realistic* possibilities are for creating an FIA
approved facility with Bernie getting the fee plus all the TV.
Especially, like you say, after the USGP's declining attendance.

I think he cares but business is business and for F1 to make it anywhere
in America, Bernie's got to offer a bigger slice of the pie.

I picked up the series seriously in the mid-80s when we finally got
cable TV. Don't think I've missed but several races since. I waited
almost 15 years to see in person the world's greatest drivers in the
world's fastest cars. As of next year Tony will have provided that for
at least five years and for that I can't thank him enough.

An added extra? He now has an FIA road course. If and when F1 leaves I
could see everything from ALMS to FIA bikes to NASCAR to Trans-AM to the
IRL taking full advantage of that part of the facility.

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:53:38 -0400, "Nuts" <bmarstor (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

If true, I'm glad to see it. Always thought late September was a little
too close to the cold weather.

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:16:51 -0500, tjmc <tjmc.enteract (AT) rcn (DOT) com>
wrote:

I don't think he has ever lost money on the venture as a whole. The
first year was 250k plus. Even at the F1 wide low price of USD 75 that
is a lot of cash (plus more Speedway dogs than even i can stomach). He
may be coming to the close of a net profit per race , but I think
Bernie will carry him.

Do you think Bernie will give him a few more discount years? The US
is the most lucrative entertainment market in the world, and Bernie
must drool at the possibilities. The reality of failure must really
piss him off after so many successes. I hope he will stick it out.

I _knew_ about F1 in the seventies from Road and Track and Long Beach
, but when ESPN started showing races, I was hooked. Badly.


Entirely by chance in the late seventies, I was in LA when F1 stopped
by for Pook. It was awesome , but it was impossible to follow the
series in the US. Pit entrance was just like the Nascar of old. A few
years later when I was in school I went to every CART race in LB.

It was almost twenty years until I saw F1 again and I do thank Tony
for that. So much had changed in F1( for the better and the worse).


I wish the infield layout would change. It is much too _micky mouse_
for my taste. A few rises and dips would add character to a bland
track and make the F1 community take notice. But, there is no
incentive for Tony to change the course.

Now you are talking!! I love TA , bikes and ALMS. I would like NASCAR
to do the road course, but they won't.

I could imagine a lot more races. The taboo of only one race is broken
and I love it!!

jim

Be serious Wank, anybody who reads your comments would be too helpless
from laughter to write.

"cfswanker" <cfswestern (AT) lvcm (DOT) com> wrote

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:40:15 -0400, linuz <linus1956.delete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Dunno. Again it depends on how badly the series wants a presence here
in the states. No matter who gets it, if there is a race here it will
have to be discounted.

Someone else talked about Russia and China. My guess is they'll get
back to Spa. There seems to be no shortage of tracks worldwide.

I'm probably wrong, but I've always seen Ecclestone as being just a
touch anti-Yankee. God knows he's wealthy beyond my wildest dreams so
it really can't be a money thing.

Me, too.

Know what really hooked me? The movie "Grand Prix." After that I did
my best to follow it in mags like "Road & Track" and "Car & Driver."
When a cable rep came to our door circa 1985 the only question I asked
him was if they carried F1. Yep, ESPN. I signed on the dotted line.

I've seen it go both ways and back.

The bane of any infield circuit.

I'm hearing rumors.

I remember well when all the "purists" screamed bloody murder in 1994.

Walk around Gasoline Alley during May and you'll still hear some
old-timers bemoaning the advent of rear-engine Indy cars.