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Re: Robin Miller Responds -
03-04-2007
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:56:09 -0600, Cal Vanize <nospam (AT) nothere (DOT) net wrote: Right, as long as they fit into the 25/8 "let's lock 'em out" rule The rules were the same for everybody. All teams were invited to enter the whole IRL season. |
one of the 25 starting positions. All the others were excluded from
them and relegated to the eight remaining spots.
NASCAR is a completely different situation. They aren't trying to put
any competing sanctioning bodies out of business.
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But if there's an investigation, include the way CART revoked board membership for anyone who entered the 500. |
welfare of CART. That's the responsibility of people serving on ANY
board of directors, not just CART. Participating in the Indy 500
clearly was contrary to the best interests of CART.
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Anyway, TG was ahead of his time with 25/8. NASCAR is now doing 36/6. Didn't we have this discussion before? :-) |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:29:58 -0600, Cal Vanize <nos... (AT) nothere (DOT) net wrote: Touchy, touchy, touchy.... You're reading more into the post that what was there. Not touchy. Just amused. Seems funny that IMS just suddenly decided to restrict entries to their [at that time] primary race and bought a series that was favored and encouraged to race at the same time. Kinda sounds like restraint of trade. But a few congressional hearings would help to overcome any misconceptions by the fans. Certainly you would be in favor of discovering the truth, wouldn't you. You mean in 1979? There wasn't a government investigation. CART sued IMS. As I recall, they won on the grounds that the race was open to all. After that, IMS declared the 500 to be an invitational event. They never did get to test that theory. If you're thinking of 1996, all the CART teams were invited* |
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"Ken Plotkin" <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote in message news:i9nmu29mkqrk282k6cr8vvufm2hhs5j577 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... The rules were the same for everybody. All teams were invited to enter the whole IRL season. But if there's an investigation, include the way CART revoked board membership for anyone who entered the 500. Anyway, TG was ahead of his time with 25/8. NASCAR is now doing 36/6. Didn't we have this discussion before? :-) You probably did. But those like Cal have nothing new to say, so they just recycle their version of events in the hopes that reality will eventually come to have some kind of resemblance to their delusions. Me? I occasionally screw up and think that they might be capable of a mature discussion. I don't really think that it is possible, so I just ignore. Hey, we won first time out this weekend, and with a new driver. Our car count was a little low, but should be up another 50 percent or more in two weeks. Carey in Manvel |
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kp> The rules were the same for everybody. All teams were invited to kp> enter the whole IRL season. No. Only the teams that were participating in IRL events were provided one of the 25 starting positions. All the others were excluded from them and relegated to the eight remaining spots. |
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NASCAR is a completely different situation. They aren't trying to put any competing sanctioning bodies out of business. |
business.
36/6 is no different from 25/8. Give an advantage to the inner circle
of teams. The day may come when they make it a closed club, like F1.
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Being on the board of directors, those members were responsible for the welfare of CART. That's the responsibility of people serving on ANY board of directors, not just CART. Participating in the Indy 500 clearly was contrary to the best interests of CART. |
CART's best interest. Why, if they had not taken that course, they
may well have gone bankrupt a few years down the road...
Ken Plotkin
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:55:05 -0600, Cal Vanize <nospam (AT) nothere (DOT) net wrote: kp> The rules were the same for everybody. All teams were invited to kp> enter the whole IRL season. No. Only the teams that were participating in IRL events were provided one of the 25 starting positions. All the others were excluded from them and relegated to the eight remaining spots. Read my lips: All teams were invited to enter the whole IRL season. |
Exactly!! But those that chose to stay with CART were excluded. The
25/8 rule was put in place to FORCE teams to run the rest of the IRL
season just to run in the Indy 500.
The results of THAT are pretty obvious. The Indy 500 has fallen
significantly and can only get a full field by hiring "special case"
drivers.
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NASCAR is a completely different situation. They aren't trying to put any competing sanctioning bodies out of business. You're kidding, right? They're trying to put everyone else out of business. |
Tony George / IRL did.
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36/6 is no different from 25/8. Give an advantage to the inner circle of teams. The day may come when they make it a closed club, like F1. |
the motivations.
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Being on the board of directors, those members were responsible for the welfare of CART. That's the responsibility of people serving on ANY board of directors, not just CART. Participating in the Indy 500 clearly was contrary to the best interests of CART. Sure. And the US 500 and open warfare with IRL was certainly in CART's best interest. Why, if they had not taken that course, they may well have gone bankrupt a few years down the road... |
survive and produce product to compete.
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6andretti wrote: On 2 Mar 2007 11:50:39 -0800, "Dave-E" <davegto67 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: On Mar 2, 1:35 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35723/ Great stuff. RM tells it like it is. We need a RM fan club. Perhaps in conjuction w/Steve Matchett's. I'm the first one in to contribute if someone starts one. I can see hundreds at people at Indy in May and June with 'Got Miller'? T-Shirts!! Mike Why would any self-respecting Robin Miller fan go to Indy? For the USGP, silly. :-) |
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| It seems more like he loves the way open wheel racing used to be twenty or even thirty years ago. He does not seem to love it too well today. How long did it take you to reach that conclusion? Couple of minutes. I also reached the conclusion that Robin Miller has as much honor as he does talent. He's forgotten more than you'll ever know. |
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He's forgotten more than you'll ever know. |
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On Mar 7, 7:11 am, 6andretti <mdequa... (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote: He's forgotten more than you'll ever know. Like AJ Foyt? |
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scottscottscott wrote: On Mar 7, 7:11 am, 6andretti <mdequa... (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote: He's forgotten more than you'll ever know. Like AJ Foyt? AJ forgot more than he ever knew. |
Does Craftsman make laptops, too? Would come in handy.
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