A few weeks old, but an interesting read.

I had no idea American open wheel racing had plummeted to such depths. I
knew it was bad, but sheesh.

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35227/

"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

I had no idea American open wheel racing had plummeted to such depths. I
knew it was bad, but sheesh.

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35227/

Oops. meant to post to RASC also

armpit wrote:

"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I had no idea American open wheel racing had plummeted to such depths. I
knew it was bad, but sheesh.

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35227/

This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.

"Cessna 310" <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com> wrote

armpit wrote:
"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I had no idea American open wheel racing had plummeted to such depths. I
knew it was bad, but sheesh.

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35227/


This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.

You are wrong about that. The article evidenced that American fans insist
on American drivers racing American cars on American tracks side by side and
bumper to bumper. There is only one series that offers that and that is
logically the series with almost all of the fans and sponsors and big TV
contracts and American automakers. Pure sweet logic.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:50:22 -0500, Cessna 310 <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com>
wrote:

This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.

How did that affect purses in Grand Am and ALMS? Or USAC?

Ken Plotkin

"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:50:22 -0500, Cessna 310 <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com
wrote:


This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.

How did that affect purses in Grand Am and ALMS? Or USAC?

Ken Plotkin

The Tony George haters do not have any system or logic. They just know that
they hate Tony George and his IMS and his IRL and his NASCAR Brickyard and
his USGP. Tony George offers more opportunities for racers and teams and
fans than anyone else but NASCAR. He also provides the three biggest auto
races in America year after year. But all of that combined is nothing in
their eyes when compared to his competition with USAC-CART-Champ Car-Indy
Car-Grand Prix- OWRS- Three blind mice- or whatever they are calling it this
week.

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:01:41 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42 (AT) cox (DOT) net>
wrote:

The Tony George haters do not have any system or logic. They just know that
they hate Tony George and his IMS and his IRL and his NASCAR Brickyard and
his USGP. Tony George offers more opportunities for racers and teams and
fans than anyone else but NASCAR. He also provides the three biggest auto
races in America year after year. But all of that combined is nothing in
their eyes when compared to his competition with USAC-CART-Champ Car-Indy
Car-Grand Prix- OWRS- Three blind mice- or whatever they are calling it this
week.

Yeah, I know. It's just fun to ask them a straightforward question
and see how they shuck and jive and maybe hurl insults.

Kind of like trolling, without actually being a troll. :-)

Ken Plotkin

RickyBobby wrote:

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I had no idea American open wheel racing had plummeted to such depths. I
knew it was bad, but sheesh.

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35227/
This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.


You are wrong about that. The article evidenced that American fans insist
on American drivers racing American cars on American tracks side by side and
bumper to bumper. There is only one series that offers that and that is
logically the series with almost all of the fans and sponsors and big TV
contracts and American automakers. Pure sweet logic.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:50:22 -0500, Cessna 310 <jolene310 (AT) sbc (DOT) com
wrote:


This is more evidence of the impact of the Tony George ego open wheel
split. It shows how badly one person can damage a sport.

How did that affect purses in Grand Am and ALMS? Or USAC?

Ken Plotkin

Has U.S. sports car racing ever paid very much?

On Apr 3, 8:10 pm, Ken Plotkin <kplot... (AT) nospam-cox (DOT) net> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:01:41 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net
wrote:

The Tony George haters do not have any system or logic. They just know that
they hate Tony George and his IMS and his IRL and his NASCAR Brickyard and
his USGP. Tony George offers more opportunities for racers and teams and
fans than anyone else but NASCAR. He also provides the three biggest auto
races in America year after year. But all of that combined is nothing in
their eyes when compared to his competition with USAC-CART-Champ Car-Indy
Car-Grand Prix- OWRS- Three blind mice- or whatever they are calling it this
week.

Yeah, I know. It's just fun to ask them a straightforward question
and see how they shuck and jive and maybe hurl insults.

Kind of like trolling, without actually being a troll. :-)

Ken Plotkin

Well let me go read that article but several things come to mind right
off the bat. Logic is seldom seen here. I challenge anyone to come up
with 3 things that Tony has done that has positvely impacted auto
racing in the US that could not have been done without the formation
of the IRL. Even finding three postive things he has done is tough.
I will give you just one. His impact on the development of the safer
barrier will be felt for some time. After that, there is nothing he
has done that was positive.

The Nascar race at Indy was done to offset the cash flow drop that he
knew would come for a while. It could have been done with or without
the IRL. Same with the F1 race. He could have done that with or
without the IRL.

Now Tony's recent Windtunnel appearance when asked what he would say
to the Champ Car fans and the best he could come up with is "I don't
know how to answer that.". Dave Despain was both respectful, and non
combative in his approach. He was giving Tony a chance to talk and
answer a question that should have been predictable. Either he is so
used to dealing with the Star that never asked him a tough question in
his life since Robin Miller left, or he is so poorly schooled in the
art of pr that he is just in way over his head but he missed a golden
opportunity. A chance to heal some wounds, and he didn't take
advantage of it.