You may have a point when it comes to the politicians and the PC crowd.
But not the common folk. You are right in one way they are some of the
nicest and friendliest folks around, but they do not like phoniness or
pompous elitist and that is what you find too much of in open wheel
racing. When you talk about the common folk you are talking about
people who place names such as Petty and Earnhardt on a level just
below God and family. They will be nice and acceptable up to a point
until they take all of the European superiority snobbish attitude that
they can stand and then all bets are off. Like or not the modern open
wheel community to a certain point even those in the IRL, but
especially those in ccws have an air about them that says look at us we
are open wheel we are better than you. That attitude will wear out
their welcome very fast. I have seen more than my share of phonies with
such attitudes standing out in gullies with feed bags waiting as we
laughed our asses off back at the house.


Its not those hard working people or there leaders that would be an issue.
Ihave been to a number of Champ Car races and never been treated with
anything but appreciation from any member of the Champ Car staff, drivers or
team members regardless of national orgin. I never have got a sense of we
are better than you that you would see in maybe an F1 event. Even the F1
crowd would be treated with respect. How they would treat Petty and
Earnhardt would have no impact at all and is totally unimporant. More of
them may know who Richard is, but that would have NO impact on how they
would be treated. You are way off the mark here.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:56:54 GMT, "Albert D. Kallal"
<PleaseNOOOsPAMmkallal (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

What do I think?

1) this was an RP project all the way. Why isn't quite clear.

2) MIS gets screwed. Methinks this would not have occurred had RP
still owned MIS.

Mike

6andretti wrote:
.... IRL looking to ditch MIS eventually???

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Yep it was a RP project I don't doubt. It could be to keep a presense in
the area. IRL looking to ditch MIS? Id guess it was more likely the other
way around and this time they got some warning.

Wasn't the IRL surposed to be an all oval series again??? How do the heros
of the American short tracks get to Indy now without road racing
experience??? Hmm sure falls in with the vision

Mark B wrote:
Maybe there's a new vision: try to become a new incarnation of pre-split
CART without the political mess it had. Heroes of the short tracks? Fuck
'em - NASCAR's got 'em and they can have 'em. Instead, attract the
heroes (and villains) from CART. That vision seems to have some momentum...

Getting a little OT, but that reminds me of what CC is doing which seems
to be working quite well: attract the heroes of the American development
formula series. Look at how many F-2000, FF, F-BMW, and Star Mazda
hot-shots are finding their way into Atlantics and CCWS.

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:13:55 -0500, forty <cforteNO (AT) SPAMgmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

I think that's what pushed the race to Belle Isle, but CART had been
running downtown for a while.

F1 got the boot when they demanded that permanent F1-spec garages be
built.

Ken Plotkin

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:31:13 -0500, forty <cforteNO (AT) SPAMgmail (DOT) com>
wrote:


Why not. Would just add to their 10 year old and growing record of
bonehead moves.

"6andretti" <mdequardo (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote

Why is not returning to an event that is likely losing money and has been
for some time a boneheaded move? At some point the IRL has to have some
events outside of Indy and Texas that can make money not lose it.

Karl S <karlsch@-no-spam-ak.net> wrote in
news:gssdu95s75qg.1kqg4ku94rtxq.dlg (AT) 40tude (DOT) net:

Interesting pictures. Obviously the author is quite biased, and most
probably, racist. It's more probably a case of income and spending leaving
the central areas and moving to outside the cities. Then, there's a general
disrespect for the environment. People need to *care* about where they live
and clean up the mess! Why is the IRL bothering with racing in Detroit
anyway?

Wingman wrote:

Is that so? Do you know the author or can you cite other materials from
this author to prove this point? Or are you just stating your opinion,
unfounded in any possible truth as it may be?



You catch on pretty quick, don't you. That's exactly the point. The
city officials from Detroit and the local residents don't seem to care.



Because Detroit will have them. For the IRL, its not a matter of where
they WANT to race as much as who will have them. Their races are
losers. I think Detroit is the perfect symbolic place to hold an IRL
race. A city dependent on a failing US auto industry holding a race for
a failing series.