258 ignition timing

#11

Hi Glen,

thanks for the tips

Idle is definitely too high. Fast idle is about right (according to
Haynes/Clifford) but curb idle is way too high, just a few rpms lower
than fast idle.

However, I noticed that the hot wire for the choke never had any power
because of a blown fuse. that might make a difference. (Although I
believe that when you hit the accelerator the choke should fully open,
on a Holley 390?)

Fast idle is about right (1500-1600 rpms). Now I'm going to try to get
curb idle around 700 rpm.

After I have those two right I want to get the advance(s) right

curb idle timing advance I can set moving the distributor around.

I have the crane vacuum advance on the HEI distributor,to get the
timing advance correct at higher rpms than curb idle one has to tinker
with the advance weight springs and the adjustable vacuum advance.
right?

I'm all for keeping it simple too

On Mar 27, 12:41*am, "Glenn news" <bigglen5... (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

You are right that the fuel is igniting when the engine "diesels", but itis not caused by the spark plugs firing. For some reason, you have hot spots that are igniting the fuel mixture after the key is turned off. Electronic fuel injected engines don't due this because the injectors stop spurtingfuel once the key is turned off, but a carbureted engine is still getting fuel sucked into the cylinders. Make sure the idle is not set to high, as this lets in more fuel/air mixture than you want, and can contribute to "dieseling" when the key is off.
To find out if the crank dampener outer ring has "turned" and no longer reading correct TDC, I would use a dial indicator in the spark plug hole of # 1 cylinder to find the exact TDC of the piston and then see if the crank pulley is indicating TDC or zero. BTW, when someone says 38 degrees timing,they are talking about total timing advance, not timing (reading) at idle or 1500 RPMs.
As far as trying to see if an engine is running rich or lean, the best way is to put the jeep on a dyno-smog machine and read the 5 gases coming outof the tail pipe under load as well as idle. Short of that, drive the jeepfor a couple of days, then pull out a couple of spark plugs and see if they are carbon fouled (too rich), nice brown/tan (normal-OK), or white cooked(lean). Just like checking an old dirt bike after a carb or jet change, same principle. Try to keep things simple...the same thing that makes a model"A" run, makes a brand new Corvette run. Just different (better) delivery and control methods. * *
Glen

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:2fb52b3e-8648-4297-bcbd-e919133dfd1e (AT) w35g2000prg (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Well, *when I shut the engine off sometimes it will just rotate
another few revolutions with what it seems fuel igniting. Also there
is a chance that fuel mixture is blown into the exhaust and ignites
there (causing a loud bang)
The engine is not pinging I think. * Uhm, *No EGR anymore.

The "old de-carbon the cylinders trick".. * wel.. *when we took that
258 aparrt to put a 4.0 head on, we didn't see any carbon. *So no
sense in doing the "old de-carbon the cylinders trick", right?

I want to see and check if my engine is running right.

First thing I wanted to check is to see if the ignition timing is
correct. (I do realize though, that with the 4.0 head, headers,
different intake and carb, *the timing setting might need to be
different than stock.

After I figured out timing I want to check and see if it is idling ok
and not running too lean or rich.

Ron

On Mar 26, 12:45 am, "Glenn news" <bigglen5... (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

FYI...the problem of an engine "dieseling" after the ignition switch isturned off has nothing to do with ignition timing, since the plugs are no longer firing. If the engine was "pinging" on acceleration or part throttlecruise, then I would look at the timing or EGR if so equipped.
You might try the old de-carbon the cylinders trick by running a littlewater down the carb when the engine is at about 3000 rpm and see if that helps. lets us know what you figure out. Good luck
Glen

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:66a492bd-b46d-4766-92e9-f440e5e522f4 (AT) c11g2000yqj (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Hello,

I think I need to do something about the ignition timing in my Jeep.
One of the things it does is; it 'diesels' a bit after I shut the
engine off.

Here is what I found in the manuals:

79 258 with bbd carb and manual transmission:
timing: 6 - 8 degrees BTDC
fast idle: 1600 rpm
idle: 700 rpm

However, I did the 4.0 HO head conversion, have a Holley 390cfm (4bbl)
carb and I also converted to the HEI ignition.

From write ups of people that did the HEI ignition on a 258 I saw they
set their ignition timing to as much as 9 degrees BTDC at 1600 rpm.

any thoughts on this ?

thanks,

Ron- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

#12

look at you you just got told by csdude

isnt it plane to see that you and the rest of the trolls and bill
hughes haters are not wanted in this group

just give it up the majority of the group doesnt support you

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:52:39 -0700, csdude wrote:

On Mar 26, 1:30 am, Pink ? Freud <lapsus_ling... (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

These are probably better news groups for you:

aol.rant.and.rave
news.whine.whine.kick.kick
alt.whine
alt.dumb

and of course there are the test newsgoups that you posted in

Why, thank you!

If Cooyon Billie (aka L.W. 'Superman, etc.,' Hughes III) ever posts there,
I most certainly shall.

(oops... damnit... I top posted again....)

tsk tsk

Naughty boy.

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from >Groups in 6 days (Apr 2, 1:30 am).

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:19:02 -0800, L.W.(Superman!)Hughes III wrote as if
he actually knew:

* * It's very common for the harmonic balancer to slide in it rubber
dampener. Use a screwdriver and let it slide in your hand to eyeball in the
crank. *Your engine will probably run best with a total of about thirty
eight degrees, mark the crank and time at about three thousand RPMs.

Attempt at your own risk.

Hughesie does not guarantee his advice or assume any liability for any
resultant Damage, Destruction or Death.

Never expect much from a senile, fat, smelly, washed-up old man.

* * * * God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O

Again, WHY ???

* * * * mailto:BillHug... (AT) billhughes (DOT) com

Really desperate for attention, eh?

So, when are you and Jurk America #1 gonna 'get together'?

I mean, after all, he's the only creature on the planet that can stand you.....

Later, Fatso!

*http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:42a0ef98-7a1f-43f3-9e27-265f640cecc3 (AT) 37g2000yqp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On a '79 cj5 with a 258 do I have to double check that when #1 is tdc
the timing markers are on zero degrees or is there no chance that it
can be 'off' ?

If so, what is the best way to set #1 TDC and check it is (without
taking the head of)

#13

I think I figured out the problem,

the choke never opened because of a short with the electric wire that
powers the electric choke. I think it caused curb idle to be really
high and also, after shutting down, fuel mixture to ignite in the
exhaust header.

I have to play with the choke 'timing' a little because it stays on a
bit too long.

Other than that it seems to be running fine

btw: why is the timing slightly different for a jeep with an automatic
vs manual transmission ? Is that because the torque converter causes
somewhat of a load ? I'd rather expect a bit higher curb idle than a
different ignition timing.

On Mar 27, 12:41*am, "Glenn news" <bigglen5... (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

You are right that the fuel is igniting when the engine "diesels", but itis not caused by the spark plugs firing. For some reason, you have hot spots that are igniting the fuel mixture after the key is turned off. Electronic fuel injected engines don't due this because the injectors stop spurtingfuel once the key is turned off, but a carbureted engine is still getting fuel sucked into the cylinders. Make sure the idle is not set to high, as this lets in more fuel/air mixture than you want, and can contribute to "dieseling" when the key is off.
To find out if the crank dampener outer ring has "turned" and no longer reading correct TDC, I would use a dial indicator in the spark plug hole of # 1 cylinder to find the exact TDC of the piston and then see if the crank pulley is indicating TDC or zero. BTW, when someone says 38 degrees timing,they are talking about total timing advance, not timing (reading) at idle or 1500 RPMs.
As far as trying to see if an engine is running rich or lean, the best way is to put the jeep on a dyno-smog machine and read the 5 gases coming outof the tail pipe under load as well as idle. Short of that, drive the jeepfor a couple of days, then pull out a couple of spark plugs and see if they are carbon fouled (too rich), nice brown/tan (normal-OK), or white cooked(lean). Just like checking an old dirt bike after a carb or jet change, same principle. Try to keep things simple...the same thing that makes a model"A" run, makes a brand new Corvette run. Just different (better) delivery and control methods. * *
Glen

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:2fb52b3e-8648-4297-bcbd-e919133dfd1e (AT) w35g2000prg (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Well, *when I shut the engine off sometimes it will just rotate
another few revolutions with what it seems fuel igniting. Also there
is a chance that fuel mixture is blown into the exhaust and ignites
there (causing a loud bang)
The engine is not pinging I think. * Uhm, *No EGR anymore.

The "old de-carbon the cylinders trick".. * wel.. *when we took that
258 aparrt to put a 4.0 head on, we didn't see any carbon. *So no
sense in doing the "old de-carbon the cylinders trick", right?

I want to see and check if my engine is running right.

First thing I wanted to check is to see if the ignition timing is
correct. (I do realize though, that with the 4.0 head, headers,
different intake and carb, *the timing setting might need to be
different than stock.

After I figured out timing I want to check and see if it is idling ok
and not running too lean or rich.

Ron

On Mar 26, 12:45 am, "Glenn news" <bigglen5... (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

FYI...the problem of an engine "dieseling" after the ignition switch isturned off has nothing to do with ignition timing, since the plugs are no longer firing. If the engine was "pinging" on acceleration or part throttlecruise, then I would look at the timing or EGR if so equipped.
You might try the old de-carbon the cylinders trick by running a littlewater down the carb when the engine is at about 3000 rpm and see if that helps. lets us know what you figure out. Good luck
Glen

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:66a492bd-b46d-4766-92e9-f440e5e522f4 (AT) c11g2000yqj (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Hello,

I think I need to do something about the ignition timing in my Jeep.
One of the things it does is; it 'diesels' a bit after I shut the
engine off.

Here is what I found in the manuals:

79 258 with bbd carb and manual transmission:
timing: 6 - 8 degrees BTDC
fast idle: 1600 rpm
idle: 700 rpm

However, I did the 4.0 HO head conversion, have a Holley 390cfm (4bbl)
carb and I also converted to the HEI ignition.

From write ups of people that did the HEI ignition on a 258 I saw they
set their ignition timing to as much as 9 degrees BTDC at 1600 rpm.

any thoughts on this ?

thanks,

Ron- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

#14

ill bet 24butt is your good buddy

your good butt buddy that is

you probably hang out on weekends cruising the county parks in a butt
buddy car like a toyota prius

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:33:25 +0000, 24Bit~® wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:17:35 -0600, Jeep America #1 zero
jeepamerica1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) commiegoaway> wrote:

look at you you just got told by csdude

So what does he know, sign him up with you and Cooyon

isnt it plane to see that you and the rest of the trolls and bill
hughes haters are not wanted in this group

Yep it's still plain to see you're ignorant and can't spell...

just give it up the majority of the group doesnt support you

Hey PF, you running for office, you have my support!!!

Hey, 2-4, that's all I need !!

(Although I'd rather run /from/ public office; I hate dirt!)

10-4 and take care, good buddy!

PF

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:52:39 -0700, csdude wrote:

On Mar 26, 1:30 am, Pink ? Freud <lapsus_ling... (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

These are probably better news groups for you:

aol.rant.and.rave
news.whine.whine.kick.kick
alt.whine
alt.dumb

and of course there are the test newsgoups that you posted in

Why, thank you!

If Cooyon Billie (aka L.W. 'Superman, etc.,' Hughes III) ever posts there,
I most certainly shall.

(oops... damnit... I top posted again....)

tsk tsk

Naughty boy.

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from >Groups in 6 days (Apr 2, 1:30 am).

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:19:02 -0800, L.W.(Superman!)Hughes III wrote as if
he actually knew:

* * It's very common for the harmonic balancer to slide in it rubber
dampener. Use a screwdriver and let it slide in your hand to eyeball in the
crank. *Your engine will probably run best with a total of about thirty
eight degrees, mark the crank and time at about three thousand RPMs.

Attempt at your own risk.

Hughesie does not guarantee his advice or assume any liability for any
resultant Damage, Destruction or Death.

Never expect much from a senile, fat, smelly, washed-up old man.

* * * * God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O

Again, WHY ???

* * * * mailto:BillHug... (AT) billhughes (DOT) com

Really desperate for attention, eh?

So, when are you and Jurk America #1 gonna 'get together'?

I mean, after all, he's the only creature on the planet that can stand you.....

Later, Fatso!

*http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:42a0ef98-7a1f-43f3-9e27-265f640cecc3 (AT) 37g2000yqp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On a '79 cj5 with a 258 do I have to double check that when #1 is tdc
the timing markers are on zero degrees or is there no chance that it
can be 'off' ?

If so, what is the best way to set #1 TDC and check it is (without
taking the head of)

#15

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:19:33 -0700, csdude wrote:

Quote:

I think I figured out the problem,

the choke never opened because of a short with the electric wire that
powers the electric choke. I think it caused curb idle to be really
high and also, after shutting down, fuel mixture to ignite in the
exhaust header.

I have to play with the choke 'timing' a little because it stays on a
bit too long.

Change your oil. A choke that never opens can suck enough gas out of the
carb to wash raw gas right past the rings and into the crankcase. I had a
Malibu with the V6 in it that did that to me. I only noticed the problem
when the level on the dipstick started to _rise_.

#16

well i dont really care who i remind you of because your a troll and
because your a troll your opinions mean jack doodley squat

24Bit~®<me (AT) myplace (DOT) org> wrote:

Quote:

This jZero reminds of some of the hero Snowbirds that come down here
with the flapping lips of how great and tough they are hollering and
screaming all the way to the water. They hit the water wide open with
their mouth just going. then all of a sudden there's silence, and the
emerald green starts to turn crimson.

The only reason Cooyon is still around, sharks don't like pork! ha, ha

#17

ooooooh look at the macho man making macho man threats

you know what they say about macho men theyd rather be with other
macho men

good thing people like hughes and me and the other fellows in this
group are not macho men but we are american men which means so much
more

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:12:12 -0600, Jeep America #0 wrote:

ill bet 24butt is your good buddy

No, however 24-Bit is.

your good butt buddy that is

No again. But we do share an interest in computers, so I guess we're
bit-buddies as well.

you probably hang out on weekends cruising

That would be extremely cool, but kinda difficult since we live about 4500
kliks apart. That's roughly 2800 miles for you stupid non-metrified folks.

Shame, too, because I'd /really/ like to take one of his Harleys out for a
spin.

the county parks in

a butt
buddy car like a toyota prius

My best friend leases a Prius, and not only is he a total genius, he's
about as hetero as a guy can get. Just ask his very happy genius wife and
his very long list of former, disappointed girlfriends.

And physically, he could dismantle you in under 15 seconds, and then stack
the parts nice and neatly and then donate them to his University.

And, in the interests of medical science, he'd be very careful not to let
his 3 attack dogs disturb the meat.

Feelin' lucky, punk?

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:33:25 +0000, 24Bit~® wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:17:35 -0600, Jeep America #1 zero
jeepamerica1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) commiegoaway> wrote:

look at you you just got told by csdude

So what does he know, sign him up with you and Cooyon

isnt it plane to see that you and the rest of the trolls and bill
hughes haters are not wanted in this group

Yep it's still plain to see you're ignorant and can't spell...

just give it up the majority of the group doesnt support you

Hey PF, you running for office, you have my support!!!

Hey, 2-4, that's all I need !!

(Although I'd rather run /from/ public office; I hate dirt!)

10-4 and take care, good buddy!

PF

Pink ? Freud <lapsus_linguae (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:52:39 -0700, csdude wrote:

On Mar 26, 1:30 am, Pink ? Freud
lapsus_ling... (AT) FreudianSlips (DOT) orgy> wrote:

These are probably better news groups for you:

aol.rant.and.rave
news.whine.whine.kick.kick
alt.whine
alt.dumb

and of course there are the test newsgoups that you posted in

Why, thank you!

If Cooyon Billie (aka L.W. 'Superman, etc.,' Hughes III) ever posts
there, I most certainly shall.

(oops... damnit... I top posted again....)

tsk tsk

Naughty boy.

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from >Groups in 6 days (Apr 2, 1:30
am).

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:19:02 -0800, L.W.(Superman!)Hughes III
wrote as if he actually knew:

* * It's very common for the harmonic balancer to slide in it
rubber dampener. Use a screwdriver and let it slide in your hand
to eyeball in the crank. *Your engine will probably run best
with a total of about thirty eight degrees, mark the crank and
time at about three thousand RPMs.

Attempt at your own risk.

Hughesie does not guarantee his advice or assume any liability for
any resultant Damage, Destruction or Death.

Never expect much from a senile, fat, smelly, washed-up old man.

* * * * God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O

Again, WHY ???

* * * * mailto:BillHug... (AT) billhughes (DOT) com

Really desperate for attention, eh?

So, when are you and Jurk America #1 gonna 'get together'?

I mean, after all, he's the only creature on the planet that can
stand you.....

Later, Fatso!

*http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"csdude" <ron.croonenb... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:42a0ef98-7a1f-43f3-9e27-265f640cecc3 (AT) 37g2000yqp (DOT) googlegroups.com...
On a '79 cj5 with a 258 do I have to double check that when #1
is tdc the timing markers are on zero degrees or is there no
chance that it can be 'off' ?

If so, what is the best way to set #1 TDC and check it is
(without taking the head of)

#18

24scumbag,
PLONK another of it's faggot names, sharing the same lack of courage or
self-esteem. too frightened to use a valid name and address. Go back in your
faggot hole with that other mikey strainic the other coward, Army deserter
hiding in Vancouver.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Jeep America #1 <commie (AT) go (DOT) away> wrote in
news:79jmu498sh3tbkuh4pl78v111sctp6gqmp (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

ooooooh look at the macho man making macho man threats

Throwing Goatfucker under a bus so soon, dipshit?

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Interesting how you abusers try to make things a "chuckle", but you
obsess over the chuckle for 7 years." - Ed the numerically-challenged.

#19

24scumbag,
Faggot!!!!! You gave me a bullsh*t address of: Donna Atkinson, 3105
Frankford ave., Philadelphia, PA 19134. Your real name is Brad Taylor From:
news:fg0igp$3l6$1 (AT) blackhelicopter (DOT) databasix.com
So I've learned you are a lying coward via:
http://joejared.cc/cujoJoe.htm Joe Jared, and NOT Donna as you are a liar.
http://joejared.cc/moreCujo.htm
http://bradjesness.home.att.net/JoeAudio.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Joe+Jared%22&btnG=Google+Search
Who's databasix bubby: a documented Convicted Child Molester: Gary Burnore:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061207102022/http://archives.mfn.org/
Oh, and thanks little jealous pervert, for the ammunition to send
abuse at COX, Motzarella, and Teranews block you and other low lifes that
use databasix. :-) You've given me reason to devote my energies to
persuading Real News Servers to block everyone from http://databasix.com/ ,
I know I've cost them millions in commercial revenues. :-)
Come on out here little faggot and I'll treat you like a King:
http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm
Today, queer Joe is dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason
faggots like you keep following me around.
I killed that domain once! Bitchen I get to do it again!!!!!!!!!
Forwarded to: abuse (AT) hughes (DOT) net, abuse (AT) teranews (DOT) com, admin (AT) cox (DOT) net,
abuse (AT) motzarella (DOT) org, abuse (AT) giganews (DOT) com, abuse (AT) databasix (DOT) com,
plcymgmt (AT) databasix (DOT) com via: one of hundreds of my user names at their
servers, I may with a switch from the return address line, just make sure
any sane people there may see you for what you are, loser. :-) Oh damn, no
databasix, no more, nor SWimp, no more. <ROTFLMAO>
Oh what the heck, I forward this one to them all for old time sake. :-)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Superman Hughes TrollKiller of scums 24bit & squarewheel"
BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com> wrote in
news:sNydncv2cKUfD3bUnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com:

24scumbag,

Nope!

PLONK another of it's faggot names,

But you plonked me dozens of times before! How did you manage to fuck up
yet again, Goatfucker? Let me guess, you pretend to plonk me so you could
run away when I responded and pointed out how fucking stupid you are,
right?

sharing the same lack of courage
or self-esteem. too frightened to use a valid name and address.

I gave you that over a year ago so you could serve me with your kooksuit.
You lied about that too, Goatfucker.

Go back in your faggot hole with that other mikey strainic the other
coward, Army deserter hiding in Vancouver.

I'm not in Canada, dumbfuck.

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:gsfna4$i9g$3 (AT) blackhelicopter (DOT) databasix.com...
Jeep America #1 <commie (AT) go (DOT) away> wrote in
news:79jmu498sh3tbkuh4pl78v111sctp6gqmp (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

ooooooh look at the macho man making macho man threats

Throwing Goatfucker under a bus so soon, dipshit?

How come you aren't taking Creep AmeriKKKa to take for outing you,
Goatfucker?

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"It's obvious to anyone with a bit of insight that you need to get
laid, get a hobby, get off usenet for a bit, and have some real
interaction with humanoids. - Edmo screams at his mirror again.

#20

24scumbag,
Another of it's faggot names, sharing the same lack of courage or
self-esteem. too frightened to use it's name http://joejared.cc/cujoJoe.htm
Joe Jared and address. Go back in your faggot hole with that other mikey
strainic the other coward, Army deserter hiding in Vancouver.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Superman Hughes TrollKiller of scums 24bit & squarewheel"
BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com> wrote in
news:rOGdnRFi4ZJBRXbUnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com:

24scumbag,

Nope. Again. You also just proved that you lied about killfiling me.

Why would anyone believe you, Goatfucker?

Faggot!!!!!

No, I'm a lesbian. This has been explained to you more than once.

You gave me a bullsh*t address of: [redacted]
Your real name is Brad Taylor

You trust a delusional kook more than me? Thanks for showing just how
stupid you are, Goatfucker.

From: news:fg0igp$3l6$1 (AT) blackhelicopter (DOT) databasix.com
So I've learned you are a lying coward via:
http://joejared.cc/cujoJoe.htm Joe Jared, and NOT Donna as you are a
liar. http://joejared.cc/moreCujo.htm
http://bradjesness.home.att.net/JoeAudio.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Joe+Jared%22&btnG=Google+Search

That's right, Brad Jesness is an unimpeachable source. Just like you and
Creep AmeriKKKa.

Who's databasix bubby: a documented Convicted Child Molester: Gary
Burnore:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061207102022/http://archives.mfn.org/
Oh, and thanks little jealous pervert, for the ammunition to
send
abuse at COX, Motzarella, and Teranews block you and other low lifes
that use databasix. :-) You've given me reason to devote my energies
to persuading Real News Servers to block everyone from
http://databasix.com/ , I know I've cost them millions in commercial
revenues. :-)
Come on out here little faggot and I'll treat you like a King:
http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm
Today, queer Joe is dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only
reason
faggots like you keep following me around.
I killed that domain once! Bitchen I get to do it again!!!!!!!!!
Forwarded to: abuse (AT) hughes (DOT) net, abuse (AT) teranews (DOT) com, admin (AT) cox (DOT) net,
abuse (AT) motzarella (DOT) org, abuse (AT) giganews (DOT) com, abuse (AT) databasix (DOT) com,
plcymgmt (AT) databasix (DOT) com via: one of hundreds of my user names at their
servers, I may with a switch from the return address line, just make
sure any sane people there may see you for what you are, loser. :-) Oh
damn, no databasix, no more, nor SWimp, no more. <ROTFLMAO
Oh what the heck, I forward this one to them all for old time
sake. :-)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

If I went to visit that shithole you live in, you'd be whining about
being stalked, you cowardly fuckwad.

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:gsg8ph$e1f$1 (AT) blackhelicopter (DOT) databasix.com...
"Superman Hughes TrollKiller of scums 24bit & squarewheel"
BillHughes (AT) billhughes (DOT) com> wrote in
news:sNydncv2cKUfD3bUnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com:

24scumbag,

Nope!

PLONK another of it's faggot names,

But you plonked me dozens of times before! How did you manage to fuck
up yet again, Goatfucker? Let me guess, you pretend to plonk me so
you could run away when I responded and pointed out how fucking
stupid you are, right?

sharing the same lack of courage
or self-esteem. too frightened to use a valid name and address.

I gave you that over a year ago so you could serve me with your
kooksuit. You lied about that too, Goatfucker.

Go back in your faggot hole with that other mikey strainic the
other coward, Army deserter hiding in Vancouver.

I'm not in Canada, dumbfuck.

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo (AT) petitmorte (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:gsfna4$i9g$3 (AT) blackhelicopter (DOT) databasix.com...
Jeep America #1 <commie (AT) go (DOT) away> wrote in
news:79jmu498sh3tbkuh4pl78v111sctp6gqmp (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

ooooooh look at the macho man making macho man threats

Throwing Goatfucker under a bus so soon, dipshit?

How come you aren't taking Creep AmeriKKKa to take for outing you,
Goatfucker?

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme
Holy Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 &
4/2007 HL&S award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer -
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008.
COOSN-266-06-01895.
"It's obvious to anyone with a bit of insight that you need to get
laid, get a hobby, get off usenet for a bit, and have some real
interaction with humanoids. - Edmo screams at his mirror again.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"You are the childish moron if you think anyone is dumb enough to think
that you harass me for fun." - Ed displays his sense of humor to all.