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Default Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 12:02 AM






On 09 May 2007 22:35:10 GMT, Ivan Jager <aij+nospam (AT) andrew (DOT) cmu.edu>
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Are you familiar with the second law of
thermodynamics?

It is more of a perception of things rather than a real firm law. If
you apply that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes
form to second law than that is valid. But then this is kinda like
newtons law of motion in that for every action there is a equal
reaction and the same with energy because its byproducts equal the sum
of the energy being converted to work. It is called thinking outside
the box.
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Default Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 12:52 AM






There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous,
really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator (AT) shaw (DOT) ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
Reported to for forgery: internet.help (AT) shaw (DOT) ca, abuse (AT) shaw (DOT) ca,
internet.abuse (AT) sjrb (DOT) ca
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"N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII" <nancyhuge (AT) coccyx (DOT) net> wrote

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No, it's Cooyon flatulence, far more dangerous.

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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 01:03 AM



I used to use a hundred percent alcohol, we drilled the jets out with a
drill four times the size. So can see we pour in five to six time the fuel
as gasoline, to go down the quarter mile. Needed a five gallon hand
pressurized Moon tank to get to the other end. So it's like half the power
of gasoline, but we can burns four times as much.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"c" <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote

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I'm not suggesting anything. I am merely stating that the fuel is
available and it being used. I do not know anyone using it. I do know
however, that diesels modified for performance and racing sometimes use
a supplemental alcohol injection system, so apparently the two fuels do
work well together. I am pretty much diesel ignorant beyond that.

Chris


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 01:15 AM



In article <4642a779$0$18419$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com>,
"L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

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There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous,
really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
they were all pardoned january 1977
its been over for 30 years 3 months about 15 days

ssa was reactivated by lord reagan to terrify ussr
with the thought of a massive usa army being raised in case of war in europe
knowing full well that a war in europe would last about two weeks
before a general exchange of nuclear weapons
and annihilation of usa and ussr

long before an army could be raised

draft registration serves absolutely no purpose
except to let the us government fuck with young men
simply to prove it can fuck with young men

the military does not want conscription
because it would saddle them with a bunch of unmotivated soldiers
(or even antimotivated soldiers)
whose training would take up almost all their three years
it would end being more expensive and less capable army
than what we have know

meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo


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Default Re: Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 01:21 AM



"L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in
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There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all!
I'm hurt. I thought I was the biggest loser.


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 08:22 AM



On May 9, 5:35 pm, Ivan Jager <aij+nos... (AT) andrew (DOT) cmu.edu> wrote:
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On 2007-05-09, SnoMan <a... (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote:

Hyddrogen and Ammonia which is used in fertilizer production. They
have been searching for years to fund a cheap way to split Hydrogen
and Oxygem atoms apart in water for unlimited fuel source but right
now it take more energy to make it han is recoverd when using water.

And it always will. Are you familiar with the second law of
thermodynamics?

IMHO, our best hope is to be able to separate them using a cheaper
source of energy, such as sunlight, because then it doesn't matter
whether we can recover all the energy that went into it.

Ivan
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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:11 PM




Thinly disguised movie about Red Adair who if memory serves pioneered
the tactic.

Earle Horton proclaimed:

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What is the name of that old movie about the guys who put out the flame in
an out of control oil well, using dynamite? I am thinking 40s-50s, but that
is all that comes up.

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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The candles are in all the oil crackers I worked, and they regularly
exploded. When it goes out, run for you life:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/blur/8...1/b634115m.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Earle Horton" <earle (AT) angloburgues (DOT) usa> wrote in message
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Heh, I like the open flames one sees over oil wells to burn off

"surplus"

natural gas.

Earle





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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:14 PM



SnoMan proclaimed:

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On 9 May 2007 07:52:55 -0700, nrs <neale_rs (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:


Energy in itself is not a problem, we have solar, wind, nuclear, coal,
etc. The serious problem is how to run vehicles. Petroleum fuels are
the only viable way to do it right now, just think of a jet. Ethanol,
hydrogen, nothing is efficient enough yet to compete with direct
burning of fossil fuels. We also need to save some petroleum for
lubrication of machinery. Another thing that is often overlooked is
that food production is what it is thanks to the use of fertilizers
made from petroleum, we are actually eating our oil supply.


Hydrogen is very efficent but there is two problems with using it.
First currently it is made from crude and cost about 10 to 12 bucks a
gallon. Next is its storage. To be stored in a liquid state for
greatest fuel density it has to be keep extremely cold. (about 423
degrees below zero) As far as energy density, gasoline has about
18,500 BTU's per pound and Hydrogen about 60,000 BTU's per pound (and
a gallon weighs about .6 lbs). Pure ethanol has only about 8500 BTU's
per pound. As a comparison, Propane has about 22,500 BTU's per pound
and a #2 Deisel has about 21,500 BTU's per pound or just a bit less
than Propane (this is lbs not gallons and a gallon of Propane weighs 4
lbs)
And next is the dirty little secret that unless you burn it in a fuel
cell, you get a lot of NOx and it is harder to reduce the combustion
temperature to avoid the NOx than with gasoline. OK, so you could carry
LOx and burn the hydrogen with that to avoid the NOx that comes from
burning anything in an atmosphere pretty much mostly nitrogen.



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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:16 PM



SnoMan proclaimed:

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 13:27:20 -0400, FrankW <fworm (AT) norpak (DOT) ca> wrote:


Funny that, from what I understand:
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe



In the universe yes as stars and vast clouds of interstellar gas are
made mostly of hydrogen but on the earth, free hydrogen in its native
state is rare. Given the tempatures needed for it to because a liquid
it is easy to see why. Hydrgen is a building block though is all
fossil fuels but it is not in the form of free atoms.
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Free hydrogen is quite rare in space, it usually comes combined with
something else unless you get it from something the size of Jupiter or
bigger where you might find it in metallic form.


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:17 PM



And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.

L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

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Yup, and anyone can separate it from water, remember the two electrical
probes we put in a glass, trapped the Hydrogen, and exploded a piece of
magnesium in it. The justification for burning hydrogen is cleaner burning,
but what no one mentions is it takes ceramic pistons and sleeves to
withstand the much higher than the two thousand degree flash of gasoline,
now.
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"FrankW" <fworm (AT) norpak (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Funny that, from what I understand:
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
:-)





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