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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:19 PM






Ivan Jager proclaimed:

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On 2007-05-08, c <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote:

To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
the compression ratio of a diesel engine.


The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine?

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.
Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-10-2007 , 09:21 PM






And possibly before your time, the shiners like the old Jag coupes with
the twin fuel tanks and the factory standard valve just behind the
drivers right side.
Very difficult for the typical american cop car to follow thru the
mountains and if they got near, just open the valve and burn the evidence.


L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

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I used to use a hundred percent alcohol, we drilled the jets out with a
drill four times the size. So can see we pour in five to six time the fuel
as gasoline, to go down the quarter mile. Needed a five gallon hand
pressurized Moon tank to get to the other end. So it's like half the power
of gasoline, but we can burns four times as much.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/


"c" <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote



I'm not suggesting anything. I am merely stating that the fuel is
available and it being used. I do not know anyone using it. I do know
however, that diesels modified for performance and racing sometimes use
a supplemental alcohol injection system, so apparently the two fuels do
work well together. I am pretty much diesel ignorant beyond that.

Chris





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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 05:06 AM



Never going to happen GI, coldfusion is a figment of the collective
scientific imagination, pure unadulterated bullsh*t! Nuclear we have, and
the very few plants we have are supplying over twenty percent of our power
needs.
God Bless America, Bill O||||||
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/


"Lon" <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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And the energy for that electrolysis would have to come from cold fusion
since otherwise you'd be getting it from the typical sources. Plus when
you burn hydrogen in air, most folks forget about air being mostly
nitrogen and you do NOT get the pure water the greenie monsters believe
you will get.


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 05:14 AM



Hi Lon,
Not before my time, I had dozens of Jaguars with twin tanks come through
with their chrome quick release caps, the same as my Norton 750 Commando (a
foolish move form a Hog).
I didn't understand your statement though, burn what evidence?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

"Lon" <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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And possibly before your time, the shiners like the old Jag coupes with
the twin fuel tanks and the factory standard valve just behind the
drivers right side.
Very difficult for the typical american cop car to follow thru the
mountains and if they got near, just open the valve and burn the evidence.


L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 10:09 AM





Quote:
coldfusion is a figment of the collective
scientific imagination
Just as were meteorites.

Just as was electricity.

Just as was heavier-than-air flight.

Just as was land travel past 50 mph.

Just as was 'solar power'.

Just as was nuclear power.

I see you know as much about physics, the Universe and what exists
out there (whether you approve or not), and general science as you know
about nearly everything else.

Zilch.


And it's 2 separate words: cold fusion.






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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 10:18 AM



c wrote:
Quote:
LTS wrote:
coldfusion is a figment of the collective
scientific imagination

Just as were meteorites.

Just as was electricity.

Just as was heavier-than-air flight.

Just as was land travel past 50 mph.

Just as was 'solar power'.

Just as was nuclear power.

I see you know as much about physics, the Universe and what exists
out there (whether you approve or not), and general science as you know
about nearly everything else.

Zilch.
Just like his burning magnesium in hydrogen....


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 11:24 AM



On 2007-05-11, Lon <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
Ivan Jager proclaimed:

On 2007-05-08, c <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote:

To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
the compression ratio of a diesel engine.


The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine?

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.

Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.
Ok, I wasn't sure about that. Any idea why they still mix in Diesel
then? Actually, everything I seem to find on the internet uses mostly
Diesel, rather than the 98% alcohol mentioned earlier in the thread.

Ivan


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 12:31 PM



Ivan Jager wrote:
Quote:
On 2007-05-11, Lon <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:
Ivan Jager proclaimed:

On 2007-05-08, c <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote:

To me this would have more potential to reduce emissions and increase
power since ethanol has a high octane rating and could take advantage of
the compression ratio of a diesel engine.

The whole point of a Diesel engine is that you can get high compression
ratios without needing high octane fuel. In fact, if you had high
octane fuel that wouldn't self ignite, it wouldn't burn. Are you going
to suggest putting spark plugs in a Diesel engine?

I would hazard a guess that the 2% Diesel is so that the fuel will burn.
Alcohol burns nicely in a diesel cycle, as any model airplane hobbyist
would be aware of as they do the inevitable castor oil two step.
Alcohol and nitromethane burn even better just before your engine melts.

Ok, I wasn't sure about that. Any idea why they still mix in Diesel
then? Actually, everything I seem to find on the internet uses mostly
Diesel, rather than the 98% alcohol mentioned earlier in the thread.

Ivan
My guess would be lubrication. Racers that use alcohol commonly add
something called "top end lube" to their fuel to replenish the oil
washed away from certain engine components by the alcohol.

http://www.blendzall.com/

The product is about half way down the page.

Chris


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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 08:47 PM



Lets just note that Bill is smarter than you and leave it at that.
He might have failed to note the sarcasm in the original comment, but at
least he knew about cold fusion.

c proclaimed:

Quote:
coldfusion is a figment of the collective
scientific imagination


Just as were meteorites.

Just as was electricity.

Just as was heavier-than-air flight.

Just as was land travel past 50 mph.

Just as was 'solar power'.

Just as was nuclear power.

I see you know as much about physics, the Universe and what exists
out there (whether you approve or not), and general science as you know
about nearly everything else.

Zilch.


And it's 2 separate words: cold fusion.





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Default Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel - 05-11-2007 , 08:49 PM



This was the old twin tank Jags that had the valve just to the rear of
the right hand side of the drivers seat [left hand drive models].

You normally ran the thing on one tank, and that valve was how you
selected the other tank. Looked exactly like a chrome plated water
faucet wheel type valve.

Didn't take much to mod the vehicle so turning the valve mixed the two
tanks, one normally used for fuel, the other for the shine.


L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

Quote:
Hi Lon,
Not before my time, I had dozens of Jaguars with twin tanks come through
with their chrome quick release caps, the same as my Norton 750 Commando (a
foolish move form a Hog).
I didn't understand your statement though, burn what evidence?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

"Lon" <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:SJadnbbaq_PcTt7bnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...

And possibly before your time, the shiners like the old Jag coupes with
the twin fuel tanks and the factory standard valve just behind the
drivers right side.
Very difficult for the typical american cop car to follow thru the
mountains and if they got near, just open the valve and burn the evidence.


L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:





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